I prefer showing the rear 3/4 shot, since this is the view Corvette owners will be seeing the most.....
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I prefer showing the rear 3/4 shot, since this is the view Corvette owners will be seeing the most.....
A loaded VW Golf will be in that price range, too. The two are quite comparable.
A Civic Touring (not SI) is around $25k ...
A fully loaded, refreshed, and updated 2013 201hp Civic Si (that will handily spank a $30,000+ 160hp focus titanium) has a msrp is $26,190
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Did you read the thread, or are you claiming that gas was 25c a gallon in the 90s, and that the big 3 glory days were in the 90s?
In any case, SUVs weree the land barges of the 90s and 00s. Pretty clear example of poor taste, bad judgement, and lack of appreciation for driving right there. Carried straight over from the 50s.
Besides, the big 3 still lost handfuls of market share during the 90s and 00s. Maybe the gun to the head trick was what they needed.
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Did you expect mareket share to increase as more imports where allowed to come here?
World's most expensive hybrid.
I don't know what you mean by "allowed". There was never any quota that I know of.
Let me lay it all out as simply as I can; Market share decreased because people bought more imports. People bought more imports because the Yanks were out of touch. They were out of touch in exactly the same way they were out of touch in the 50s. Therefore, cars from the 50s were not golden age of American cars that people make it out to be. But they had the market all to themselves so nobody knew any better. Now we know better, and now, American products are competitive against the best in the world. THIS is the golden age of American cars. Have a look at the last few years of that graph again, for evidence.
You make it sound like they were selling potatoes.
There is no other market in the world where imports have overwhelmed domestgic producers as much as they have in the US. The big 3 had a big hand in their own downfall.
Does anything else in that price bracket come anywhere close to the ZR1's Nurburgring lap time?
I checked... the GT-R apparently is the only one. I like them. I imagine someone will drive the NSX around the Ring sometime soon.....
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Nissan GT-R beats it.
Not even close. The McLaren P1, Ferrari F150, and Porsche Spyder will all be running KERS Systems.
It will be just like the original NSX. Impressive on paper with various forward thinking technological advancements, but in real life, rather bland and uninspiring.
I am not so sure. There is some evidence that Honda knows they have screwed up over the last few years. They'll be back.
I'd still rather have the Vette, though ...
I can guarantee you Honda will dumb down the final production version for the target demographic. They didn't learn with the S2000. Stunning motor. Still bland, and I don't see them changing their philosophy (that much) in the future. We're talking Sunday afternoon cars. Given the choice between a S2000 and a TVR which you can almost hear whisper let-your-guard-down-for-a-second-and-I-will-try-to-kill-you to you when you get in it, (even with all it's idiosyncratic faults), I'd take the TVR in a heartbeat just for the *** eatin' grin factor (something Honda will always fail to grasp).
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You could have a whole thread dedicated to the perceived definition of "golden age"
Quality wise, 1950s Euro/Asian mass produced cars were no better and often worse than American cars. North Americans just happened to like living large, hence a different style.
It wasn't until the mid 1970s when the J.A.Pan company hit it's stride that everybody had to pull up their socks or perish.
And like I said... Its the only other car in the price bracket to be posting such lap times.
Nissan has moved that goal post this year. Canadian prices are $104K for the Premium and $113.4K for the Black.
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