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Law Enforcement - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.....

Who was in the wrong?

  • Cop

    Votes: 23 20.7%
  • Dude who got shot

    Votes: 33 29.7%
  • I like turtles

    Votes: 55 49.5%

  • Total voters
    111
Looks like one of the officers is fallen.

Condolences to their family.
All dead. Two officers and suspect. Horrible.

SIU says suspect was a 23 yo male.

Unconfirmed reports had police responding for a domestic dispute. 20+ shots fired inside house. Suspect took their own life. Grandparents owned the house, grandkids lived with them. Suspect was one of the grandkids.

EDIT:
Press conference:
Initial call at 19:55.
Devon Northrup (33) and Morgan Russell (54). Russell was officer airlifted.


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Just reported on news...
first two officers, that were killed, did not even draw their weapons.
third officer exchanged gunfire with suspect.
 
Just reported on news...
first two officers, that were killed, did not even draw their weapons.
third officer exchanged gunfire with suspect.
Also murmors about a semi-automatic rifle. JT must be salivating over this one. :(

EDIT:
Not a rumour. SIU confirmed.

 
Wondering what the initial report was and why 3 officers needed to be at the scene for a disturbance call.
SSP radio is not easily accessible. It is digital so I expect it is encrypted. Grandparents apparently called the police so maybe they provided information that justified three (although presumably they didn't mention he was armed or entry wouldn't have gone so poorly).
 
Wondering what the initial report was and why 3 officers needed to be at the scene for a disturbance call.

Likely not their first visit to the address. Could have gotten armed suspect info in a 911 call as well.
 
Wondering what the initial report was and why 3 officers needed to be at the scene for a disturbance call.
Domestic disputes are among the most dangerous calls that an officer can face. I doubt that an officer would want to face one alone, if there were other units available.
 
...........Both officers didn't even have time to draw their weapons.
From what I understand, they were both trained in conflict resolution (or similar verbiage). I theorize that they purposely didnt draw their weapons to avoid escalation. Perhaps third officer is back up?

Edit: "A small community north of Toronto is in shock Wednesday after police identified an officer who worked with mental health teams and a veteran constable trained in hostage negotiations as the victims of a fatal Tuesday shooting."

 
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SSP radio is not easily accessible. It is digital so I expect it is encrypted. Grandparents apparently called the police so maybe they provided information that justified three (although presumably they didn't mention he was armed or entry wouldn't have gone so poorly).

SSP is indeed encrypted....
 
PRP officer charged with robbery. On the job two years. Now suspended with pay for years while his criminal trial proceeds. PSA needs to change.

I'm going to apply for a cop and break some laws soon as I become one. Could use a 2-3 year paid vacation.

FML. Total bullcrap that these guys are able to collect a cheque while they sit at home. I understand 'innocent until proven guilty' but is there any mechanism to actually pull back those funds if they are found guilty?
 
I'm going to apply for a cop and break some laws soon as I become one. Could use a 2-3 year paid vacation.

FML. Total bullcrap that these guys are able to collect a cheque while they sit at home. I understand 'innocent until proven guilty' but is there any mechanism to actually pull back those funds if they are found guilty?
Innocent until proven guilty should have nothing to do with employment. PSA charges should be adjudicated asap. If there is sufficient evidence to lay a criminal charge, you are probably well past the reasonable threshold for immediate termination with cause.
 
Innocent until proven guilty should have nothing to do with employment. PSA charges should be adjudicated asap. If there is sufficient evidence to lay a criminal charge, you are probably well past the reasonable threshold for immediate termination with cause.
I don't disagree with making sure that police officers should be given their "guaranteed right to a speedy trial", however, as officers of the law they are exposed to far more complaints than the average worker. In fact complaints are one of the go-to responses for people charged with a crime, serious or not. There needs to be some level of protection for them.
 
I don't disagree with making sure that police officers should be given their "guaranteed right to a speedy trial", however, as officers of the law they are exposed to far more complaints than the average worker. In fact complaints are one of the go-to responses for people charged with a crime, serious or not. There needs to be some level of protection for them.
I'm not arguing for immediate termination. I'm arguing for an immediate review of the evidence wrt PSA charges. An unfounded complaint should not result in sanctions. A custodial sentence is far too high a bar to remove a criminal from law enforcement. Balance of probability is a far more reasonable bar for PSA sanctions (similar to civil trial bar). Like I said, if there is enough evidence to lay a criminal charge that they expect to prove beyond reasonable doubt, it would be shocking if it didn't already pass the threshold of balance of probability. If board reviews it and doesn't believe that it crosses that threshold, so be it. Delaying for years in the hopes that the criminal system makes your job easier is a cop out.
 
I don't disagree with making sure that police officers should be given their "guaranteed right to a speedy trial", however, as officers of the law they are exposed to far more complaints than the average worker. In fact complaints are one of the go-to responses for people charged with a crime, serious or not. There needs to be some level of protection for them.

Complaints.. especially frivolous complaints.. rarely.. if ever.. make it to criminal charges. This is not a case of an officer possibly stepping over the line while interacting with someone.. This guy was involved in a robbery.. while off duty.
 
Complaints.. especially frivolous complaints.. rarely.. if ever.. make it to criminal charges. This is not a case of an officer possibly stepping over the line while interacting with someone.. This guy was involved in a robbery.. while off duty.
I was speaking in broad terms, not about a specific instance, because any rules made must be used equally in all cases.
 

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