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Law Enforcement - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.....

Who was in the wrong?

  • Cop

    Votes: 23 20.7%

  • Dude who got shot

    Votes: 33 29.7%

  • I like turtles

    Votes: 55 49.5%
  • Total voters
    111
DownUnder said:
The raids were determined to be human rights violations? Were the brass that were involed in the planing and signing off all charged?

Cant blame some low ranking cop that gets told there is a raid on such and such facility, grab your gear and lets go. If police could just reject any assignment they wanted to, nothing would ever get done.
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Actually you can blame a low ranking officer. They are only required to follow lawful orders and are responsible for their own conduct. If an officer believes an order to be unlawful, then they should not follow it. At the risk of Godwining this thread, "I was just following orders" is an excuse that has been used (and rejected) by many.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
Actually you can blame a low ranking officer. They are only required to follow lawful orders and are responsible for their own conduct. If an officer believes an order to be unlawful, then they should not follow it. At the risk of Godwining this thread, "I was just following orders" is an excuse that has been used (and rejected) by many.
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Very true.

In this case though, as far as I can tell, the officers did not even receive a reprimand for there actions, let alone disciplinary action.

They even won the libel case that they brought because of this case. If you listen to the CP24 interview with JP Hornick (linked earlier), she tries to use this information against the officers. Imagine winning your court case and someone tries to use that as evidence that you are unfit?

Another article about his career from The Star. Again it is the only blemish that the star could find and then they go on about all the good he has done. If the Star isn't slinging mud at a police chief, there can not be much there.
 
Soulcatcher668 said:
This is not quite true. They dropped the human rights complaint as part of the settlement. The 1.5 million dollar law suit was also dropped.

Link to human rights judgements.

Article from the Globe and Mail from that time, not the agenda driven crap that is around now.



Going by the record of the time, it seems that they were very happy with the outcome.

I am not defending these raids.

If there was ongoing evidence that Myron Demkiw was a bad egg and made bad leadership choices, fine, but there doesn't seem to be any.
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The judge, in the original case, found that the police actions were reprehensible and called them a breach of human rights.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
The judge, in the original case, found that the police actions were reprehensible and called them a breach of human rights.
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A little misleading there. That is what the judge that dismissed the liquor charges against the two women said.
Nothing to do with the actual Human Rights case that was later withdrawn due to settlement.
 
Soulcatcher668 said:
A little misleading there. That is what the judge that dismissed the liquor charges against the two women said.
Nothing to do with the actual Human Rights case that was later withdrawn due to settlement.
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If you think so. I tend to think that when a judge makes such a statement in his summation, it bears some weight. The only reason why there wasn't a specific finding in the human rights case is that they settled in order to avoid an explicit finding of guilt. The inference can still be made and a sitting judge did still make the statement, in a court of law, as a reason for the dismissal.
 
I wasn't actually privy to why there was a settlement. You have information on that?

I cannot actually find the court documents and there seems to be conflicting reports on what ground were used to dismiss the case. From what I can gather, they threw out any evidence collect due to improper entrance.

Getting bogged down in the minutiae of this case does no one any good.

The guy in question, Myron Demkiw, was charged with nothing, not disciplined, not reprimanded.
Won a defamation case because of it.
Was not in charge. (also was not part of the Nuremberg trials)
Has had an exemplary career.

How is he not fit for the post?
 
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Soulcatcher668 said:
I wasn't actually privy to why there was a settlement. You have information on that?

I cannot actually find the court documents and there seems to be conflicting reports on what ground were used to dismiss the case. From what I can gather, they threw out any evidence collect due to improper entrance.

Getting bogged down in the minutiae of this case does no one any good.

The guy in question, Myron Demkiw, was charged with nothing, not disciplined, not reprimanded.
Won a defamation case because of it.
Was not in charge. (also was not part of the Nuremberg trials)
Has had an exemplary career.

How is he not fit for the post?
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Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that either case can be found on CanLii. Have a look at page 165 of this document, under "Update- September 2002." Sorry for the Google gobbledeegook. The direct link refused to work.

 
Update-September 2002 A great deal has happened since we wrote this article last December. Here is a brief overview of the major events:

1. First and foremost, we won our legal case! On Thursday January 31, 2002, Justice Peter Hryn dismissed all charges against the members of the Toronto Women's Bathhouse committee.

Here are some highlights from his decision:
~ He ruled that the organizers and the patrons of the event had a reasonable expectation of privacy vis-a-vis men. He was very critical of the police failure to look for and use female officers.
~ He suggested that the actions of the police were analogous to a strip search. He recognized that strip searches were humiliating, degrading, and devastating, particularly for women and minorities.
~ He felt that the breach of charter rights was very serious. He stated that the "flagrant and outrageous" charter violations would shock the conscience of the public, that the police actions contradicted fundamental notions of justice, fair play, and decency, and that they were patently unreasonable. Furthermore, he said, the police actions displayed a blatant disregard for the quality of humaneness that are shared by the Canadian public.
~ Finally, he found that the actions of the police "Bring the administration of justice into disrepute."
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Still not able to see what Peter Hryn actually said in context. This is also an article written by one of the founders of the bathhouse.

Peter Hryn obviously did not approve of the raid.

He’s demonstrated that he’s ok with treating segments of the population that don’t look/think like him as second class citizens.
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Again... no reprimands, no disciplinary actions, no charges, nothing.
Exemplary career that even The Star does not seem to have a problem with.


At any rate. If you guys believe he is unsuited, that's your prerogative.
 
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Wow... what a POS.

Doesn't go to work and when he does, he steals from dead people.
 
Police policing themselves, what outcome can your really expect? With a lack of political will and a weak media, gross actions have no real implications. Almost impossible for an individual to receive justice against the police. It would take a dedicated group to take action and force elected official to be heard and have a say in how and by who policing should be done in their community.
 
justride said:
Police policing themselves, what outcome can your really expect? With a lack of political will and a weak media, gross actions have no real implications. Almost impossible for an individual to receive justice against the police. It would take a dedicated group to take action and force elected official to be heard and have a say in how and by who policing should be done in their community.
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One thing that i always found interesting was that when the intelligence squad was looking into the actions of a fellow member the encryption suddenly mysteriously got turned off on their radio coms. Somewhat surprised that that did not backfire with the media getting wind of it tho.
 
A cop plead guilty to criminal assault for beating up a teen restrained in a hospital bed in 2018. It sounds like he has been hanging out on the sunshine list since then but likely not working. Board gave him seven days to resign. WTF. Fire them. Fire them now. If he wanted to quit, the time for that was 2018.

kitchener.ctvnews.ca

Guelph, Ont. officer who assaulted teen in hospital bed must resign, disciplinary hearing finds

A Guelph police officer who pleaded guilty to assaulting a teen in 2018 will be forced to resign from the service or be dismissed.
kitchener.ctvnews.ca kitchener.ctvnews.ca
 
GreyGhost said:
A cop plead guilty to criminal assault for beating up a teen restrained in a hospital bed in 2018. It sounds like he has been hanging out on the sunshine list since then but likely not working. Board gave him seven days to resign. WTF. Fire them. Fire them now. If he wanted to quit, the time for that was 2018.

kitchener.ctvnews.ca

Guelph, Ont. officer who assaulted teen in hospital bed must resign, disciplinary hearing finds

A Guelph police officer who pleaded guilty to assaulting a teen in 2018 will be forced to resign from the service or be dismissed.
kitchener.ctvnews.ca kitchener.ctvnews.ca
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I don't understand the concept of giving someone a sentence that includes community service, when they assaulted someone while serving the community. And yes, he should have been fired, not be permitted to resign.
 
This drive me nuts. According to the press, he pled guilty in 2018, and has been waiting for a police tribunal to do it's final ruling. He's been on paid leave since Dec 2016 -- 5 years @ $100K+/annum.
 
Mad Mike said:
This drive me nuts. According to the press, he pled guilty in 2018, and has been waiting for a police tribunal to do it's final ruling. He's been on paid leave since Dec 2016 -- 5 years @ $100K+/annum.
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That's even worse than I thought. With the ambiguous wording, I gave them the benefit of the doubt that the incident happened in 2018 and he pled guilty now. Linked article is clear and you have it right. Completely embarrassing and unsustainable. They should want the bad cops out asap as they absorb money that could be positively used. Maybe we need to change funding models so cops suspended with pay aren't allowed to be budgeted and need to come out of any bonuses that may be due. At least then there would be some urgency to get them off the payroll. The way it is now, it seems to be a game to keep them on as long as possible.
 
Well they certainly weren't waiting for an appeal, as he pleaded guilty. Given the lead time they should have been able to arrange a tribunal within a month of final sentencing. No excuse.

*Edit* - Now I'm wondering if the total time matches up with pay bumps, or the like? Maybe someone was doing him a favour?
 
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