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Law Enforcement - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.....

Who was in the wrong?

  • Cop

    Votes: 23 20.7%

  • Dude who got shot

    Votes: 33 29.7%

  • I like turtles

    Votes: 55 49.5%
  • Total voters
    111
GreyGhost said:
I'm not arguing for immediate termination. I'm arguing for an immediate review of the evidence wrt PSA charges. An unfounded complaint should not result in sanctions. A custodial sentence is far too high a bar to remove a criminal from law enforcement. Balance of probability is a far more reasonable bar for PSA sanctions (similar to civil trial bar). Like I said, if there is enough evidence to lay a criminal charge that they expect to prove beyond reasonable doubt, it would be shocking if it didn't already pass the threshold of balance of probability. If board reviews it and doesn't believe that it crosses that threshold, so be it. Delaying for years in the hopes that the criminal system makes your job easier is a cop out.
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They could do that. They used to do that. They had too many issues with things like wrongful termination suits and waiting for a finding in a criminal case makes it extremely unlikely that such a suit will even be brought, let alone the plaintiff prevail. So deal with the legal issues expeditiously and come down hard on obvious delaying tactics, so that the issue can be dealt with as the law intended; with all just speed.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
I was speaking in broad terms, not about a specific instance, because any rules made must be used equally in all cases.
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Which is why a prompt review of evidence wrt PSA charges is reasonable. A defined process that expediently deals with any scenario. One of the possible outcomes could be that there is insufficient evidence for punishment now but information is still being gathered and the case will be reviewed in x months. No need to delay the axe if you have already passed the threshold with good evidence.
 

Toronto police names Myron Demkiw as new chief​


Women at centre of Pussy Palace bathhouse raid decry Myron Demkiw's appointment as Toronto's next police chief​

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Everything you need to know about the Toronto bathhouse raids​


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Everything you need to know about the Toronto bathhouse raids

On the 40th anniversary of the raids, we reflect on the lasting impact the protests had on the city’s LGBTQ2S+ community and police
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justride said:

Toronto police names Myron Demkiw as new chief​


Women at centre of Pussy Palace bathhouse raid decry Myron Demkiw's appointment as Toronto's next police chief​

www.cp24.com

Toronto, Canada and Global Breaking News – CP24

Most recent News News business news stories and video from CP24
www.cp24.com www.cp24.com
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There's one more step to that mess. After those two releases came out, after temporarily digging in their heels, meetings with LGBTQ2S+. . . are now scheduled to discuss the issue.

Can't find a link. Decent interview with the person that raised the issue. PSB didn't consider these events as part of their process.

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Concerns over new Toronto police chief

Two original members of the Toronto Women’s Bathhouse Committee Have concerns over new Toronto Police Chief.
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They conveniently leave out the fact that Kyle Rae was found guilty of Defamation of Character from the comments that he made about Myron Demkiw and the other officers on the task force.

Doesn't fit the narrative.
 
The Star

“Demkiw identified himself the night of the raid as a member of ‘the morality squad.’ In the court case that followed the raid, Justice Peter Hryn described the officers’ conduct as ‘bringing the administration of justice into disrepute,’” they wrote.

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The board also said they took into consideration Demkiw’s “background and experience” when it comes to initiatives on missing persons, gender diversity and trans inclusion, police reform, professional standards, police and community engagement, anti-Black racism, community safety.
 
So 22 years ago he was part of a team, that carried out this raid. This is the only thing they can bring up.

He seems to have a pretty distinguished career otherwise.
 
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Despite the court decision by Justice Peter Hryn – who said that the police behaviour the night of the raid brought the justice system into disrepute – and widespread criticism of their actions, Holding said they “still insist that they did nothing wrong – they said they would do it again today.”

Holding is Rae's lawyer
 
justride said:
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Despite the court decision by Justice Peter Hryn – who said that the police behaviour the night of the raid brought the justice system into disrepute – and widespread criticism of their actions, Holding said they “still insist that they did nothing wrong – they said they would do it again today.”

Holding is Rae's lawyer
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Lots of things were changed later and policies were put in place.
Still not buying hearsay from the defendants lawyer.
 
Yup... saw that.

Sounds like a personal vendetta to me. She only talks about 22 years ago.

Only says that he was on the team. He was not the leader nor commanding officer.

She conveniently leaves out the fact that there were women on the squad.

The smugness is unbearable. Just look at her expression.
 
Soulcatcher668 said:
Yup... saw that.

Sounds like a personal vendetta to me. She only talks about 22 years ago.

Only says that he was on the team. He was not the leader nor commanding officer.

She conveniently leaves out the fact that there were women on the squad.

The smugness is unbearable. Just look at her expression.
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Personal vendetta for sure. Her event was raided and charges were laid, indicating illegal activity. Should police look the other way when the perpetrators are from a protected social group?
 
DownUnder said:
Personal vendetta for sure. Her event was raided and charges were laid, indicating illegal activity. Should police look the other way when the perpetrators are from a protected social group?
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The only actual offence was a Liquor Licence Act violation. The weight brought down with the raid was overkill for the offence. Other factors were afoot.
 
DownUnder said:
Personal vendetta for sure. Her event was raided and charges were laid, indicating illegal activity. Should police look the other way when the perpetrators are from a protected social group?
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You know what? If someone took part in what was later determined to be a human rights violation against me, then I'd have somewhat of a vendetta going against them too. Not going to fault these women for it.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
You know what? If someone took part in what was later determined to be a human rights violation against me, then I'd have somewhat of a vendetta going against them too. Not going to fault these women for it.
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The raids were determined to be human rights violations? Were the brass that were involed in the planing and signing off all charged?

Cant blame some low ranking cop that gets told there is a raid on such and such facility, grab your gear and lets go. If police could just reject any assignment they wanted to, nothing would ever get done.
 
DownUnder said:
The raids were determined to be human rights violations?
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Yup. You can argue that they werent found guilty as they settled but a settlement, apologies and changing your operations sounds guilty to me.


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Women at centre of Pussy Palace bathhouse raid decry Myron Demkiw's appointment as Toronto's next police chief

Two women directly impacted by a raid at a downtown Toronto women's bathhouse more than 20 years ago are speaking out about the appointment of Myron Demkiw as the city’s next chief of police.
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That raid was later found to be a violation of the human rights of the women taking part in the "2000 Pussies" event and led to a settlement at the Ontario Human Rights Commission, as well as police reforms and a public apology from the Toronto Police Service in 2016.
 
GreyGhost said:
That raid was later found to be a violation of the human rights of the women taking part in the "2000 Pussies" event and led to a settlement at the Ontario Human Rights Commission, as well as police reforms and a public apology from the Toronto Police Service in 2016.
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This is not quite true. They dropped the human rights complaint as part of the settlement. The 1.5 million dollar law suit was also dropped.

Link to human rights judgements.

Article from the Globe and Mail from that time, not the agenda driven crap that is around now.

As part of the pending settlement, the complainants have agreed to drop the human-rights complaint and their lawsuit against the Toronto Police Services Board.
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Going by the record of the time, it seems that they were very happy with the outcome.

I am not defending these raids.

If there was ongoing evidence that Myron Demkiw was a bad egg and made bad leadership choices, fine, but there doesn't seem to be any.
 
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