Law Enforcement - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.....

Who was in the wrong?

  • Cop

    Votes: 23 20.5%

  • Dude who got shot

    Votes: 33 29.5%

  • I like turtles

    Votes: 56 50.0%
  • Total voters
    112
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POWERMAN said:
If the courts will behave the exact same way if the accused were muslims, jews or part of some other 'diverse' ethnic community, I will agree with this.
I dont get why of all people they decided to pass this sort of judgement on a group of people who mind their own business, do not harm other communities and have been maintaining this way of life for generations.
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It's tricky. When smoking bans were expanded to include legions, a lot of veterans complained that they didn't fight in WWII to be told they couldn't smoke at their legion. That was twisting the rhetoric.

They fought to preserve a democratic system where the voting public elects representatives that enact legislation for the better of the people in general. Sometimes what you fight for bites you in the butt.

The Amish are great people and the ones in Ohio live in great touring country. However, laws are not like a buffet where one picks and chooses what suits them. It's unfortunate the app was a POS, adding to the fray.

There is nothing in our constitution that says everyone must have a smart phone and even non-Amish people don't have them. It wouldn't take a genius to advise travelers that such apps can be filed through a third party. If that isn't part of the law, change the law. Lawyers, notaries, civic officials, JPs etc could do it for a fee.
 
Gaoler said:
Here's the thing though... You either have innocent until PROVEN guilty for EVERYONE or no one.
'Seen MANY cases of guys getting suspended (with pay) and in the end it's determined they did nothing wrong.
Add to that the occasional malicious persecution/suspensions launched by shady and corrupt "leadership"
Y'think its right those guys have their pay cut off on the basis of an accusation..?

Recently had a fellow exonorated after a two year suspension over what turned out to be a made up /BS complaint over something that never happened.
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That is by far the exception tho.
A good working comprise would be the police union covers the accused salary while charges are pending and if exonerated the taxpayers foot the bill.
If they are found guilty let the blue work it out amongst themselves.
That will never happen because the union would go broke in little time and they know it.
 
Dirty Frank said:
That is by far the exception tho.
A good working comprise would be the police union covers the accused salary while charges are pending and if exonerated the taxpayers foot the bill.
If they are found guilty let the blue work it out amongst themselves.
That will never happen because the union would go broke in little time and they know it.
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Add to that, the person fabricating the incident gets sued for the damages.
 
nobbie48 said:
Add to that, the person fabricating the incident gets sued for the damages.
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Not guilty doesn't mean it was fabricated. I'd bet very few actual frivolous complaints make it to the point of suspension.
If we start going after people for failed prosecutions... Government will go broke fast.
 
GreyGhost said:
A few municipalities have started to crack down on public drug use. It seems to be working.

Walking around downtown barrie you see cops chatting with users while you try to figure out if you are breathing in secondhand meth or crack. When users threatened residents with knives, bps tells the residents there is nothing they can do.

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Just going by gut feelings, I envision two, maybe three levels of drug consumption. Low level is the occasional recreational user with their own place to imbibe and otherwise somewhat responsible. The threat of arrest and or detainment would affect them.

With full-blown junkies, I don't know how scrambled their brains are and if they can comprehend the rules and follow them.

How does our criminal code deal with arresting and detaining them when car thieves are out on the street the next day.

Besides the threat of stabbings there is the hidden threat of needles in playgrounds, garbage bins, or any convenient dump spot.

Thirty or so years ago, Peterborough was part of my sales territory and compared to Toronto, working there was comparatively like being on vacation. Now, the fun is gone. What dangers lurk under the sand, in the grass?

I know little about the rise of drug use and addiction in general. What's in the air, water or ????. The easy out is to blame moral weaknesses and "they need Jesus."

Illegal drugs are a special problem. Legal ones don't have the impurities and are less likely to cause permanent damage.

Forty-five years ago, I got a shot of morphine for a kidney stone and I the realized the bliss. I then understood how a person could get hooked.

I'm not superman and didn't get hooked. What drives other people the other way?

Until we figure that out, we're flying blind.
 
nobbie48 said:
Just going by gut feelings, I envision two, maybe three levels of drug consumption. Low level is the occasional recreational user with their own place to imbibe and otherwise somewhat responsible. The threat of arrest and or detainment would affect them.

With full-blown junkies, I don't know how scrambled their brains are and if they can comprehend the rules and follow them.

How does our criminal code deal with arresting and detaining them when car thieves are out on the street the next day.

Besides the threat of stabbings there is the hidden threat of needles in playgrounds, garbage bins, or any convenient dump spot.

Thirty or so years ago, Peterborough was part of my sales territory and compared to Toronto, working there was comparatively like being on vacation. Now, the fun is gone. What dangers lurk under the sand, in the grass?

I know little about the rise of drug use and addiction in general. What's in the air, water or ????. The easy out is to blame moral weaknesses and "they need Jesus."

Illegal drugs are a special problem. Legal ones don't have the impurities and are less likely to cause permanent damage.

Forty-five years ago, I got a shot of morphine for a kidney stone and I the realized the bliss. I then understood how a person could get hooked.

I'm not superman and didn't get hooked. What drives other people the other way?

Until we figure that out, we're flying blind.
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I am firmly of the opinion that everyone is a potential addict and most of us just haven't found the one thing that triggers it in us. I was lucky to find out, fairly early in life, that alcohol does it for me, though other substances also do. As a result I keep away from any intoxicants.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
I am firmly of the opinion that everyone is a potential addict and most of us just haven't found the one thing that triggers it in us. I was lucky to find out, fairly early in life, that alcohol does it for me, though other substances also do. As a result I keep away from any intoxicants.
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One can argue about what is an addiction and what is a bad habit.

A late friend smoked, drank booze and coffee to excess. He died of emphysema. Stress triggered his booze intake. The Camel cigarettes and 50 cups of coffee a day were part of his life.

How many people go on healthy diets but when they have a bad day, head for junk food. I try to watch what I eat but a bad day makes me demand sugar. Food is made up of chemicals and so are drugs.

I think the defining differences are that addictions tend to be intoxicating and have severe painful long-term withdrawal symptoms. Social acceptance affects the perceptions as well. Being high on legal alcohol vs fentanyl.
 
nobbie48 said:
I think the defining differences are that addictions tend to be intoxicating and have severe painful long-term withdrawal symptoms. Social acceptance affects the perceptions as well. Being high on legal alcohol vs fefentanyl.
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I wouldn't go that far. Even without withdrawal symptoms people can be addicted. If it's negatively affecting your life or relationships and you are unwilling to stop, that gets close to the bar for addiction. Like almost everything, it's a continuum, not a clear pass/fail. Addicted to working out is generally less damaging to your life than addiction to alcohol which is less damaging than addiction to gambling or meth.
 
GreyGhost said:
I wouldn't go that far. Even without withdrawal symptoms people can be addicted. If it's negatively affecting your life or relationships and you are unwilling to stop, that gets close to the bar for addiction. Like almost everything, it's a continuum, not a clear pass/fail. Addicted to working out is generally less damaging to your life than addiction to alcohol which is less damaging than addiction to gambling or meth.
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Where do motorcycles fit in?
 
nobbie48 said:
Where do motorcycles fit in?
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I don't know if I know anyone I would consider addicted to motorcycles. Enjoy yes. Spend more than they probably should, yes. Spend so much time/money that their life spirals? Rarely. The closest I have seen was more related to ego than motorcycles, they just happened to be the vector.
 
Mikedezo44 said:
Lucky no friendly fire on this one. look like they were both shooting towards eachother

www.cp24.com

‘The vehicle is littered with bullet holes:’ 1 person critically injured after being shot by Toronto police officer

Ontario’s police watchdog is investigating after a man was shot by a police officer and critically injured following a traffic stop in North York on Sunday.
www.cp24.com www.cp24.com
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Almost every time police pull guns it is a shining example of what not to do. Training is entirely inadequate. They ignore every rule of firearm safety every time they touch a gun and go straight into gangster mode mag dumping with no situational awareness.
 
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Mikedezo44 said:
Lucky no friendly fire on this one. look like they were both shooting towards eachother

www.cp24.com

‘The vehicle is littered with bullet holes:’ 1 person critically injured after being shot by Toronto police officer

Ontario’s police watchdog is investigating after a man was shot by a police officer and critically injured following a traffic stop in North York on Sunday.
www.cp24.com www.cp24.com
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Toronto police originally reported in was an exchange of gunfire between police and suspect..
 
GreyGhost said:
Almost every time police pull guns it is a shining example of what not to do. Training is entirely inadequate. They ignore every rule of firearm safety every time they touch a gun and go straight into gangster mode mag dumping with no situational awareness.
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They haven't learned from the Rainbow Motel shootout of 1991.


It's about a 45-minute video and not to be made light of but hundreds of rounds over hours and there were only two non-life-threatening injuries.

It started as a stolen car issue being investigated by two officers. It turned out that the two felons had murdered the owners of a gun shop in BC and stole their inventory which they used on the police.

The police armoured car bit added humourous relief.

I hope we never get to the point that our police go in expecting a repeat shootout, American style.
 
nobbie48 said:
I hope we never get to the point that our police go in expecting a repeat shootout, American style.
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I prefer UK style. The vast majority carry less lethal only. The minority carry lethal and have much more training. If you have a gun, the lethal guys show up quickly and shoot you. If you don't want to get shot, don't carry.
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