I have a question for our Friend of the Court turbo. What would happen to any charges laid by, or any cases where Officer Hominuk was subpoenaed to testify in once he was charged and suspended (with pay)?
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The video did not come to light as part of a defence disclosure demand nor as a result of any complaint being registered by the suspects involved. Police found evidence of clear wrongdoing by a police officer and acted appropriately to hold that officer accountable for a clear breach.
Court heard that neither victim was intimidated or physically injured. Neither complained about the threats or treatment. Hominuk’s Taser was never activated or used in the incident. Hominuk’s misconduct was discovered while police viewed the in-camera video for an unrelated purpose.
Where do you think this video came from if not from cameras installed in two different police cruisers at that theft location? Most TPS cruiser already have cameras installed in them. The few remaining ones that do not will have them installed this year.
Has he been accused of fabricating evidence, in other trials or even in his own? If not, his credible truthfulness on the stand is not in question.
Admissibility of evidence obtained through questioning "may" excluded be if it can be proven that he grossly exceeded the Charter rights of those he questioned, but even then it would not be an automatic exclusion and would have to be examined on a case by case basis by the trial judge to see just how egregious the breach was.
Holding a taser to someone's groin and saying "if you're lying to me, when I get you back at the station, I'm tasering you in the ******* nuts." is not intimidation? Where? On Pluto?
Apparently as soon as the video was discovered by cops, it was sent straight to other cops in the Professional Standards branch of TPS. Those so-called bastards then went ahead and prosecuted one of their own to conviction. How does that make the whole force dirty?
Come on turbo, you and i booth know when this all gets swept under the rug this guy will not lose a days pay or his job.
as far as them prosecuting one of there own, well you can put a fur coat on a whore, but she is still a whore
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It only matters if you are a biker. Then it's front page news.
It's pretty obvious that it happens all the time.
For one, the only cases of LEOs being found guilty of these egregious offences is when there is recorded evidence (typically video) of the perpetrator in the act. That Vancouver airport deal, the kick in the head guy, the G20 abuses, this back seat video... if it hadn't been for the video there would have been no wrongdoing found against these LEOs. You'd have to be delusional to disagree with that observation.
Indeed, the FTP crowd and anti-establishment mood even in the general population has been growing sharply in the past several years, in lock step with the growth of video recording devices everywhere. People are seeing for themselves the abuses and the liberties LEOs afford themselves instead of just hearing about accusations against them second hand or third hand, or sometimes not at all.
This is the same thing that's been going on with TTC operators in the past few years. Youtube justice.
If you're still with me, then you have to worry about all the time the cops are NOT on camera, and what heppens then. That would have to represent the vast majority of their time so if all of these wrongdoings we are seeing are reliant on video evidence then twinn is right, this stuff happens on a routine basis and your reduction of his claim to a matter of crazy conspiracy theory is vacuously dismissive.
This cop pleaded guilty, so that means he will not be able to appeal the verdict. The conviction is in place and can't be swept under the rug. He could still appeal any sentence handed down by the criminal court, but I doubt that will happen.
Now that he's been convicted, he gets to face a whole new prosecution, this time under the Police Services Act. If found guilty there, and his criminal conviction for threatening will almost guarantee a conviction for discreditable conduct under the Police Services Act, he can be punished further over and above whatever sentence the criminal court imposes on him. Under the PSA, this guy has a good chance of losing that job completely and he can also be fined several thousands of dollars on top of that. The only thing working for him is a previous good record, the fact that he never actually injured anyone, plus his quick guilty plea and acceptance of personal responsibility for the incident. If he is lucky enough to keep his job, he faces certain demotion resulting in a further loss of several thousands in pay that he will never recover, and his future promotion prospects will be in the toilet for many many years meaning thousands in potential future wage gains forever lost.
He has been suspended with pay since June, but that doesn't mean he didn't lose $ there either. Suspended with pay also means no chance to get those lucrative per hour pay duty gigs in his free time, and there also lies several $ thousands in potential income already forever lost.
This guy has already lost much more than "a day's pay", and he's lined up to lose a whole lot more before all is said and done. And you talk of this being swept under the rug? That choice was gone the moment the line cops who discovered the video decided to send it up the chain of command.
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roadtoruin
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I heard in a news report this video was discovered by accident. There should be an independent watch dog organization that has access to all cruiser footage for arbitrary review.
Almost?!?! He's a convicted criminal FFS!
Good chance?!?!? Again, He's a convicted criminal FFS! I know we let criminals continue to be police officers (William McCormack Jr.), but convicted ones?
Awwwwww, no money moonlighting as a thug-for-hire. Brings a tear to my eye, I tell ya.
I guess we should be eternally grateful it wasn't one of Hominuk's buddys that was making that "choice" and "decision", then, eh?
Pathetic.
Good for the TPS if this was brought to light under their own initiative, but frankly I doubt it very much. I wouldn't have been so cynical even as little as a year ago but examples of cops flawnting the law to protect their own to the detriment of the public just... Keep... Coming... Up.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jun/3/youtube-justice/
http://www.pixiq.com/article/new-jersey-cops-threaten-man-with-arrest-for-videotaping-them
Fantino, for example is famous for making his own law and suing his detractors into silence.
how many TPS cruisers have cameras again, please tell me the percentage. And yes, most have cameras that record the suspect in the rear BUT not the ones that are dash mounted to record the officer. those are the ones im talking about.
Great example shown by lucky2 on how to keep a conversation civil. If you think your speaking to a rock....well...don't blame the rock if you get frustrated to the point of swearing and name calling!
Cheers
That woman is my hero!!!
Did any of you hear of talk on having a small camera on each officer??? I heard something about that around a year ago and I though it would be the best thing for our officers. It would bring on a whole new level of customer service and professionalism.
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i din't swear and name call, i just didn't want to waste anymore time.
thats why the post is left like that.
I've been saying that for years. I think it was debated in a thread here a while ago (how the archiving process would work). I think having every officer wired for sound and video would protect clean officers and protect citizens from the dirty ones. Also I think it would help unclog our court system as people would be less likely to take frivilous cases to court when their is clear evidence of what did and didn't happen. Our court systems are clogged because we allow such low quality (and easily abusable) evidence into court (officers word vs defendant).
