Law Enforcement - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.....

Who was in the wrong?

  • Cop

    Votes: 23 20.7%

  • Dude who got shot

    Votes: 33 29.7%

  • I like turtles

    Votes: 55 49.5%
  • Total voters
    111
TK4 said:
To be fair, TFD and EMS do one helluva job and not just in their primary functions. First on any scene is usually TFD, and would YOU honestly want to be an EMS ? Incredibly high rate of suicide from being on the job - scraping people up off the pavement or out of burnt down houses will do that to ya. I have no beef with any of them.
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Agreed, that's why I said they provide a needed service.
The police on the other hand... Bloated budgets with VERY limited results.
I see it every day. It's not just the police though. The entire "justice system" is a huge make work project that doesn't produce any real, meaningful, measurable results.
 
GreyGhost said:
Poor him. His time in jail is "horrific". I'm sure the multiple people he was robbing while armed with a gun were having the time of their lives.
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The guy is a pig. They caught him and put him in with a similar bunch of pigs. Now he doesn't like living in a pigsty.
 
Gaoler said:
Agreed, that's why I said they provide a needed service.
The police on the other hand... Bloated budgets with VERY limited results.
I see it every day. It's not just the police though. The entire "justice system" is a huge make work project that doesn't produce any real, meaningful, measurable results.
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Keep in mind that fire and EMS have simple mandates, Help the public. Police have their duties divided between fighting crime and bringing in revenue. It costs money to investigate a theft but money is made by setting up a radar fishing hole.

I feel a lot of cops go into the force wanting to uphold law and order. Then the politicians whore them out to balance the city budgets.
 
TK4 said:
To be fair, TFD and EMS do one helluva job and not just in their primary functions. First on any scene is usually TFD, and would YOU honestly want to be an EMS ? Incredibly high rate of suicide from being on the job - scraping people up off the pavement or out of burnt down houses will do that to ya. I have no beef with any of them.
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One of our riding group who at the time was a freshly minted EMS had the poor luck to be one of the first to respond to a call that was another member of the group that he was a childhood friend of that unfortunately he was at the moment on the outs with involved fatal accident due to a left turner hitting him on his motorcycle.
Its been 20 years and it still haunts him.
 
Dirty Frank said:
One of our riding group who at the time was a freshly minted EMS had the poor luck to be one of the first to respond to a call that was another member of the group that he was a childhood friend of that unfortunately he was at the moment on the outs with involved fatal accident due to a left turner hitting him on his motorcycle.
Its been 20 years and it still haunts him.
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And because EMS is run by the province through OHIP they don't have the same protections as the police and firefighters.
Hats off to them all for doing a dangerous, traumatic and often heartbreaking job.
 
We were at the town Xmas party last Saturday when beepers started going off and all the volunteer firefighters got up and left for a call. (to a round of applause)

Originally I wanted to become a VFF but couldn't because I worked out of town. In retrospect I'm glad I didn't. Memories of collecting body parts with a garbage bag isn't something I really want.
 
timtune said:
We were at the town Xmas party last Saturday when beepers started going off and all the volunteer firefighters got up and left for a call. (to a round of applause)

Originally I wanted to become a VFF but couldn't because I worked out of town. In retrospect I'm glad I didn't. Memories of collecting body parts with a garbage bag isn't something I really want.
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I was a FF back home, burnt flesh is a stench you will never forget
 
raginduck said:

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"Four hours of OT for a five-minute call: Crown attorneys told to stop calling Toronto police officers to help curb overtime ‘insanity’"
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You know the system is screwed when the cop bills far more than the lawyer for an after hours phone call. Psu's need to die if citizens are to survive.
 
GreyGhost said:
You know the system is screwed when the cop bills far more than the lawyer for an after hours phone call. Psu's need to die if citizens are to survive.
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I was doing a repair at Kingston General Hospital and because I was working near live traffic their rules said they needed to supply a safety watch. I was about an hour from finishing when the safety said is shift was over in a half hour. He called his supervisor and instead of working an hour of overtime he negotiated punching out, walking across the street and punching back in. That way he got four hours of OT.
 
raginduck said:
"Four hours of OT for a five-minute call: Crown attorneys told to stop calling Toronto police officers to help curb overtime ‘insanity’"
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Four hours seems excessive, but... thats what is negotiated into their contract.
TPS management should negotiate better.
I've received 4hrs OT for a 25 second phone call.
'Look at it this way....Most people in these types of jobs consider their off time sacred.
If my employer sees fit to interrupt my day off with some work ********, to quote Henry Hill in Good Fellas...."**** you pay pay me."
There's a simple solution.
Don't call people about work stuff when they're not at work.
 
Well it could be worse, we had a guy at work that would break out his "golden screwdriver" and tweak some RF equipment at the end of his shift on Friday when he was on-call for the weekend. It would take a few hours for the complaints to build and then he would get called out (same min four hours pay/OT...), he always fixed it super fast (troubleshooting genius). To be fair, we could never prove it but the pattern was obvious.

Lots of people game the system when it comes to OT and being on-call.
 
Gaoler said:
Four hours seems excessive, but... thats what is negotiated into their contract.
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Pretty sure there is a federal law that says if you get called to work, or go to work for a regular shift, the least you get paid is 4 hours.
So if the guy stayed at work for 1/2 hr he would have got 1 hr of overtime, but because he left and came back in on call, he got 4 hrs
 
GreyGhost said:
Off duty cop got so drunk that he drove through a police barricade and into a fatal crash scene (BAC 0.187). Tribunal gave him the traditional demotion.

www.cp24.com

‘A lack of judgement’: Off-duty Toronto cop who drove through police blockade while impaired demoted

An off-duty Toronto cop who drove through a police blockade while impaired last year has been temporarily demoted, according to a recent tribunal decision.
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Seriously wtf he should be in jail and unemployed not a small temporary demotion.

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'Had an unfortunate medical incident recently where a person died...
911 called, Ambulance, Fire, dispatched. Police also dispatched because its was a VSA call (Vital signs absent).
Fire arrived first followed by EMS and FOUR police officers...
They must not be too busy fightin' crime to be able to pull four officers off the road to stand around doing nothing for a couple of hours
In my area the police are asking for millions in budget increases which will of course be granted and just added to my property tax bill.

'Just hope there wasn't some citizen in need of critical assistance and had to wait because the all four cars in their area where "busy" standing around with their thumbs up their *****.
 
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