Law Enforcement - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.....

Who was in the wrong?

  • Cop

    Votes: 23 20.7%

  • Dude who got shot

    Votes: 33 29.7%

  • I like turtles

    Votes: 55 49.5%
  • Total voters
    111
Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

afong56 said:
not sure. the act sure is bloody heroic, though.

even in war, how many would make that split second decision to sacrifice themselves?
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The answer to the particular question is no. It doesn't mention anything about the act being heroic. It asks if he was a hero. You do however get bonus points for circumventing.

Now, back to the point of the rhetorical question. While the "better safe than sorry" response to the standoff was warrented, in reality the man was unarmed. The situation could have been handled by two cops. One to hold him at gunpoint, the other to kick him in the head then cuff him. There was nothing heroic about the outcome of the situation whatsoever.
 
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Re: plate flippers in police state ontario

nobbie48 said:
The 407 deal ranks in the top 10 government screw ups of all time IMO along with our insurance acts, senate appointments and the Homolka pardon. That said, the gold bullion must sail to Spain or the rates will go up. What you don't pay gets added to my tab and I don't appreciate it.
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Governments cannot do anything right and at costs. Everything the government touches becomes an expensive failure.
 
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FullMotoJacket said:
The answer to the particular question is no. It doesn't mention anything about the act being heroic. It asks if he was a hero. You do however get bonus points for circumventing.

Now, back to the point of the rhetorical question. While the "better safe than sorry" response to the standoff was warrented, in reality the man was unarmed. The situation could have been handled by two cops. One to hold him at gunpoint, the other to kick him in the head then cuff him. There was nothing heroic about the outcome of the situation whatsoever.
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you'd think leo's would be trained in holds that would allow them to secure a suspect without the gratuitous kick in the head.

as for the hero/heroic discussion. . .meh. everyone's entitled to their opinion. at what point does doing heroic acts make someone a hero? apparently for some, the answer is never.
 
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afong56 said:
at what point does doing heroic acts make someone a hero? apparently for some, the answer is never.
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I gave 2 examples of what I think is a heroic act in post #445. Stop with the inferred assumptions. It's pathetically transparent, and a weak argument.
 
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FullMotoJacket said:
I gave 2 examples of what I think is a heroic act in post #445. Stop with the inferred assumptions. It's pathetically transparent, and a weak argument.
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actually, you don't delineate between the heroic act and the hero. . .
you see, in post 445 you write that a hero is a "soldier that dove on a grenade to keep his comrades from getting injured", without the distinction of whether it's a dud or not. and now you have added the caveat that it must be a live, functioning grenade.

post 445 certainly had enough ambiguity. . .

in one, it appears that the heroic act is enough, and now you say it's not.

i haven't inferred anything. as for the pathetic transparency and weak argument, meh, you're entitled to your assumptions.

in that particular standoff, the suspect was identified as armed and threatening to harm himself and others. yes, i know it's in his job description, but most people run from danger, not toward it.

is he a hero? maybe not. never have claimed one way or the other, definitively.

i'm guessing you're in the "not a hero" camp. you're certainly entitled to your opinion. i don't really have a definitive one yet. one thing that did come out of this affair is the surprising statistic as to how many officers actually are killed in the line of service and in what fashion. most are traffic related, and the numbers are surprisingly low.

this is actually a good reflection on our society
 
Re: plate flippers in police state ontario

**** the nay sayers... I had a flip plate for yrs and never had a single problem...I had to take the 407 everyday and only paid 2x. FTP and FTG
 
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Pocket said:
well put... until you need their support
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Twice I've needed them, twice I called.....neither time they came and instead just gave me lip service over the phone saying how busy they are right now. I could look out my window and see two of them sitting in the Tim Hortons parking lot. hhhmmm?? So when do they come? A waste of my hard earned tax dollars more than anything.
 
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caboose483 said:
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The idiots in the GTA are willing to pay for it because they don't know any better. I can drive on I-90 from Buffalo to Syracuse (about 200km) for under $7. The 407 is, by a wide margin, the most expensive toll road in North America and I avoid it like the plague. I as well have likely only been on it a dozen times since it opened, and not once in the past 5 or 6 years.


I'm one of the idiots and I'll gladly pay ( or my company will) for me to use the 407, my time is worth $200 an hour in a bad month. Having me sitting in traffic is just not worth it.

There is no sense argueing if the province is governed by apparent idiots, and if traffic is a killer in the GTA, its where the jobs and money are folks........
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I just want to get some clarification. Is the flip plate illegal or is it only illegal when it's flipped up?
 
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turbodish said:
The 407 people track entries by people who obscure license plates. If a pattern shows for a particular vehicle, the 407 people pass the information on to the OPP, and the OPP will set up and wait for you at your usual entry time and location. Then the hurt begins.
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It certainly does. And not just for the person cheating (stealing from ) the 407. Others can be seriously hurt as well.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/898265--officer-hurt-trying-to-catch-407-cheater
 
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hdsomeday said:
It certainly does. And not just for the person cheating (stealing from ) the 407. Others can be seriously hurt as well.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/898265--officer-hurt-trying-to-catch-407-cheater
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So it was the cheater that caused this accident??

Sorry parking your full size suv in a dangerous spot is not worth the prize of catching a non payer.

Damn lucky it was a pick up truck that hit the back of the OPP vehicle, outcome would have been far worse if it was a mid size car or smaller.
 
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Englishj said:
So it was the cheater that caused this accident??

Sorry parking your full size suv in a dangerous spot is not worth the prize of catching a non payer.

Damn lucky it was a pick up truck that hit the back of the OPP vehicle, outcome would have been far worse if it was a mid size car or smaller.
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In such cases I put the fault squarely on the shoulders of the person who created the initial situation; the lawbreaker. He set the sequence of events in motion, by breaking the law.
 
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Rob MacLennan said:
In such cases I put the fault squarely on the shoulders of the person who created the initial situation; the lawbreaker. He set the sequence of events in motion, by breaking the law.
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Sorry Rob, you can't blame the flipper for the lack of common sense displayed by the other parties involved.
 
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I blame the cop for sitting on the inside of a bend so close to the side of the road. He brought it on himself.
 
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Englishj said:
Sorry Rob, you can't blame the flipper for the lack of common sense displayed by the other parties involved.
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You can see the drag marks of the OPP SUV's back wheels starting from the point of impact. The left side wheels were 3 or 4 feet on the shoulder side of the white line, so he was far enough from the travelled portion of the highway. That could just as easily have been a disabled car stopped there instead. The real problem was the 407 service truck driving up the shoulder and failing to see the cop.
 
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