Assuming there isn't any "complicating factors".. and the incident is a good case of self defense.. the guy won't have much issue raising some funds for his defence.
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Law Enforcement - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.....
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Assuming there isn't any "complicating factors".. and the incident is a good case of self defense.. the guy won't have much issue raising some funds for his defence.
He's remanded for at least a few more days. Even if you're right, he's in jail and the bad guys aren't.
When it comes to the shooting and claim of self defence.
It doesn't matter why they were home invading the guy's house.
It doesn't matter how his gun was stored.. and wouldn't even matter if he was a legal gun owner and/or the gun was legal.
Neither will be considered when it comes to the murder charge and the claim of self defence.
It doesn't matter why they were home invading the guy's house.
It doesn't matter how his gun was stored.. and wouldn't even matter if he was a legal gun owner and/or the gun was legal.
Neither will be considered when it comes to the murder charge and the claim of self defence.
Though if the gun was improperly stored because he had some idea that this was going to happen, it could go to a determination of premeditation.
That was my point earlier... sort of like setting a trap. Premeditation is key.
It is also the risk of having anything classically considered a weapon at hand in any self defence situation. As an example, having a small legal knife in your hand during self defence on the street vs keys between your fingers will usually result in two different police aftermath scenarios for you. Same with having a club/bat beside the bed vs a fire extinguisher...
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Puppy-napper shot himself in the leg as he fled in Brampton | inBrampton
Charges have been stayed against an alleged Brampton puppy-napper who shot himself in the leg while making a getaway.
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This is the third case in Ontario, in 2 weeks.. that I know of.. where a suspect was let off his charges due to police wrong doings.
I'm sure there are many more!
Cops kept their mouths shut. Probably all get a promotion instead of a criminal conviction.Puppy-napper shot himself in the leg as he fled in Brampton | inBrampton
Charges have been stayed against an alleged Brampton puppy-napper who shot himself in the leg while making a getaway.
This is the third case in Ontario, in 2 weeks.. that I know of.. where a suspect was let off his charges due to police wrong doings.
I'm sure there are many more!
One of these days perhaps cops will finally realize that going all Dirty Harry just results in criminals getting away with their crimes.Puppy-napper shot himself in the leg as he fled in Brampton | inBrampton
Charges have been stayed against an alleged Brampton puppy-napper who shot himself in the leg while making a getaway.
This is the third case in Ontario, in 2 weeks.. that I know of.. where a suspect was let off his charges due to police wrong doings.
I'm sure there are many more!
Why do they care? They still get paid. Might as well beat up some bad guys and enjoy your job. Sadly the psych profile they hire seems to be very little improved over the decades.
They're quick to blame to "bail system" for letting violent criminals back on the streets... but willingly ignore their own doing the same thing on a regular basis.
Mad Mike
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I wonder how much bad cop behavior changes out of frustration with the justice system. Does it teach cops how to be gentler and kinder when dealing with an abusive degen in their custody? Or do they just learn how to mete out cop justice more discretely?Puppy-napper shot himself in the leg as he fled in Brampton | inBrampton
Charges have been stayed against an alleged Brampton puppy-napper who shot himself in the leg while making a getaway.
This is the third case in Ontario, in 2 weeks.. that I know of.. where a suspect was let off his charges due to police wrong doings.
I'm sure there are many more!
If I were a cop, I'd probably be like Harry Callahan.
Mad Mike
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Part of me says there ought to be some street justice for the really bad guys -- but part of me says that's gonna be hard to manage and some innocent folks will undoubtedly get victimized.
That said, I feel like crime is gripping society a little too much, and that society is becoming too accommodating for career criminals. Catch and release has turned into a game. It stands to reason that if criminals see fewer and fewer consequences or deterrents, they will increase the number of crimes they commit.
I like the 3 strikes rule, it noticeably dropped petty crime in my hood when I lived in the US. I'd do it a bit differently, having graduated minimum sentences for repeat offenders. Say min 5 years for your second conviction, then a minimum of 10 for your third. I think that may deter thieves, traffickers, and swindlers.
Sentence multiplier? First conviction, straight up sentencing guidelines. 20th conviction, sentencing guideline times 20 as obviously you aren't getting it. Good incentive to avoid conviction two and three and if you still haven't learned, keeps you away from society.
The moment that I realized I would never make a good cop was when I knew that if someone pulled a knife on me 30 feet away, and I had a gun on me, I'd empty the clip at him.
You were right. You're only supposed to do that if they're black. :/
And that's definitely something that *wouldn't* matter to me.
The Yatin / Forcillo incident didn't help anyone but Forcillo at least lived, getting a career change after a couple of years.
It would pack the courts, but if charges could be laid for threatening officers it might tame the crowd. False accusations that are now disregarded could become liability issues but if the accuser is low life you're trying to get blood from a stone.
In the cases of David Milgaard, Sammy Yutin and Guy Paul Moran POLICE fabricated evidence. That too has to stop.
How many prisons would we have to build if we took on a three strike system?
With Bishop Tutu's comment about not just fishing dead bodies out of the river but going upstream to find out why they're falling in, what is upstream?
Racism issues going back centuries
Governments few trust
Blundering, hope destroying government policies.
Countless social groups making money off others misery (Churches, Save the whatevers)
Greed and the flow of money to the top.
Complex issues beyond the understanding of the average guy
You're a POS if you aren't wearing the latest tee shirt (Consumerism in general)
Internet detachment. You can't get along with your neighbour but the cool guy on the other side of the plane is A-1
I'm sure there's more
All of these issues that you list are extremely complex (as you noted). Building prisons is something that a government can realistically accomplish.
The government can't legislate away racism. People are racist on every corner of the planet.
There is nothing that could be done to make me trust any government. Even if I was Prime Minister I would still be skeptical of those around me.
No matter what a government does someone will say that they are blundering.
There is too much power in money to expect policies that would close the wealth gap.
Consumerism sucks but not being given the choice to buy unnecessary things like Harley Davidson's would be worse.
I prefer freedom to think, earn, and buy what I want. I don't like all of the rules but I understand that if I get caught breaking them that there should be consequences.
It’s like amateur hour for shooting in Buffalo….these guys watched too many movies.
The suspect is named Kent Bell.. if anyone wants to look up the incident.
3 cops were shot during that incident... Bell shot one of them.. the other two were shot by cops.
The cop that shot through his own wind shield.. had one of the bullets come back and hit himself in the vest.
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