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[afong56]

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Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

Thats not my logic, just what you want it to be.

still waiting for an explanation of your irrefutable logic. . .

Who trashed down town?

Those arrested did absolutly nothing wrong, those who didnt get arrested did.

Where you actually there? Not what i saw thats for sure.

over 1000 arrests, over 900 charges dropped or stayed. those are facts.

the legal system has decided that the vast majority of them did nothing wrong. . .that's who decided.

where are your facts? how many black bloc have been arrested, charged, or face court time? what laws exist to justify the police assaults and brutality?

 

[01cbr]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

still waiting for an explanation of your irrefutable logic. . .



over 1000 arrests, over 900 charges dropped or stayed. those are facts.

the legal system has decided that the vast majority of them did nothing wrong. . .that's who decided.

where are your facts? how many black bloc have been arrested, charged, or face court time? what laws exist to justify the police assaults and brutality?

No charges doesnt mean you did nothing wrong.

How many people get tossed into the drunk tank each night while being intoxicated in public only to be set free the next day without charges?
Many would argue these people did nothing wrong, but in the eyes of the law they did.

 

[01cbr]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

Well, that's perfectly logical.. They're not gonna arrest their fellow police officers, while on the clock, performing their assigned duties.

Cops bad, everyone else good.
Got it.

still waiting for an explanation of your irrefutable logic.

I am always willing to explain it to thise who willing to try and understand it.

 

[twinn]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

Yes they will remember, because if it wasnt this it would just be something else.

I was downtown those days, did not have any problems, but I know some people who personally got arrested just for attending a sit in- peacefull.

The police screwed up, so did the politicans for communicating that nonsense about the security perimeter and anyone close to it having to show ID. They then in fact instructed their officers to comply with that nonsense. Those powers by the way extended all the way to St Clair and were being used by police. Talk to some of your cop buddies.

same thing happened last year in the case with that missing girl-- they were going door to door and asking people to consent to searches of their homes all on the account of a girl that went missing more then a month prior.

Never aplogized for that either-- they keep pushing and at some point will be pushed back.

Guys like you will never understand. Its the blue wall that does more harm to police/public relations then anything else. Why they protect their own who have done wrong I will never understand.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

Well, that's perfectly logical.. They're not gonna arrest their fellow police officers, while on the clock, performing their assigned duties.

The best example of irony out of the whole mess was the thu............er, cop that was charged with assaulting Nobody being taped threatening to arrest Global's reporter Alex Pierson if she removed her (company issued and perfectly legal) gas mask from it's belt case.

 

[01cbr]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

I was downtown those days, did not have any problems, but I know some people who personally got arrested just for attending a sit in- peacefull.

The police screwed up, so did the politicans for communicating that nonsense about the security perimeter and anyone close to it having to show ID. They then in fact instructed their officers to comply with that nonsense. Those powers by the way extended all the way to St Clair and were being used by police. Talk to some of your cop buddies.

same thing happened last year in the case with that missing girl-- they were going door to door and asking people to consent to searches of their homes all on the account of a girl that went missing more then a month prior.

Never aplogized for that either-- they keep pushing and at some point will be pushed back.

Guys like you will never understand. Its the blue wall that does more harm to police/public relations then anything else. Why they protect their own who have done wrong I will never understand.

Im loving all the assumptions about who I am and what I believe.

 

[afong56]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

No charges doesnt mean you did nothing wrong.

How many people get tossed into the drunk tank each night while being intoxicated in public only to be set free the next day without charges?
Many would argue these people did nothing wrong, but in the eyes of the law they did.

not analogous. none of these people were being charged with being intoxicated.

in the eyes of the law, if there were grounds for proceeding, they should have. that they didn't shows that they had no case or the charges were unsupportable to begin with. actually, it's a damn good thing they didn't proceed, because we the taxpayers would have paid for over a thousand court cases that ended in acquittals. . .

the fact that the police violated civil rights and that the emergency legislation was bogus would have led to a lot of civil damage suits. i still think a massive class action suit would be perfect in this situation.

I am always willing to explain it to thise who willing to try and understand it.

i seriously doubt you're a leo. they've probably been warned against engaging on forums on this issue. you're more likely a groupie.

so, explain away. . .we really want to hear your version of reality

. . .still waiting. . .




. . .and waiting

 

[afong56]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

Guys like you will never understand. Its the blue wall that does more harm to police/public relations then anything else. Why they protect their own who have done wrong I will never understand.

if i was a cop, i wouldn't let on. unless he's a really unintelligent cop. . .

and you're correct. as i wrote earlier. . .these bad cops make all of the good ones look terrible. excise the outliers, and let the public confidence in the police return. . .

 

[01cbr]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

not analogous. none of these people were being charged with being intoxicated.

in the eyes of the law, if there were grounds for proceeding, they should have. that they didn't shows that they had no case or the charges were unsupportable to begin with. actually, it's a damn good thing they didn't proceed, because we the taxpayers would have paid for over a thousand court cases that ended in acquittals. . .

the fact that the police violated civil rights and that the emergency legislation was bogus would have led to a lot of civil damage suits. i still think a massive class action suit would be perfect in this situation.



i seriously doubt you're a leo. they've probably been warned against engaging on forums on this issue. you're more likely a groupie.

so, explain away. . .we really want to hear your version of reality

. . .still waiting. . .




. . .and waiting

Why dont you just keep on making assumptions about my opinion, who I am, and which side im really on.

If you every considered this a discussion, or yourself open minded, you need a serious reality check.

 

[afong56]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

Why dont you just keep on making assumptions about my opinion, who I am, and which side im really on.

If you every considered this a discussion, or yourself open minded, you need a serious reality check.

i actually don't really care who you are, or what side you really are on.

all i need to know is that you post some ridiculous comments and then backpedal like crazy, like you're on ricki lake, whimpering "you don't know me". . .lol. . .

let me assure you, i wouldn't care if you were chief bill blair or the leader of the black bloc. . .

if you think that we are mis-interpreting your posts, then you need to clarify it, or get over yourself. . .

 

[87m6chris]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

. . .what the apologists for police criminality fail to realize is that when the cowboy culture of the bad cops gets defended, justified, or simply hidden behind obfuscation, the over-all confidence for all law enforcement takes a hit.

law-abiding citizens want to be able to trust police officers, but the basic rule of law must apply--in fact, leo's have more powers so they should adhere to a HIGHER standard of conduct, not lower.

if a trained police officer cannot handle a citizen who is slow to respond, or even a little mouthy, then they either need to be re-trained or are simply in the wrong profession.

the tps or the rcmp, for the sake of the general public and for their own reputation, need to get rid of the bad seeds so that the good cops can shine.

YES, very well said. There is no reason our system can't work well, very well.
There will be many thousands of citizens out Tuesday to show respect for Officer Russell in the funeral procession, I hope the TPS will see that it is not just respect for a fallen cop but respect for the whole force.
Whistle blower protection should be the order of the day in a police force.

 

[01cbr]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

i actually don't really care who you are, or what side you really are on.

all i need to know is that you post some ridiculous comments and then backpedal like crazy, like you're on ricki lake, whimpering "you don't know me". . .lol. . .

let me assure you, i wouldn't care if you were chief bill blair or the leader of the black bloc. . .

if you think that we are mis-interpreting your posts, then you need to clarify it, or get over yourself. . .

Life isnt fair.

May sound rediculous to you but things will never be perfect. Show some respect to authority and you will be on your way. Dont, and you may lure out an *******.

If one thing shines through your posts its that you have lived a sheltered life. Your really in no position to understand where im coming from so I dont expect you to undertsand.

Im sure you can change the world, one forum post at a time.

 

[mlc]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

i still think a massive class action suit would be perfect in this situation.

What would it accomplish, and who should be the parties involved?

And, as always, how much money are you thinking?

 

[afong56]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

Life isnt fair.

May sound rediculous to you but things will never be perfect. Show some respect to authority and you will be on your way. Dont, and you may lure out an *******.

If one thing shines through your posts its that you have lived a sheltered life. Your really in no position to understand where im coming from so I dont expect you to undertsand.

Im sure you can change the world, one forum post at a time.

well isn't that hilarious. chastising others for making assumptions about you, and then just as quickly, passing judgment on me.

sheltered life, eh?
how many third world countries have you lived in?
i lived in a country where police officers wielded ak-47s at every intersection, where torture was used to interrogate prisoners, and shotgun shells were used in the absence of an arrest and court trial.

but that's not canada. in canada, we have laws, rights, and a constitution so we don't have to live in fear of summary justice.

here in canada, authority is not simply given without accountability, and respect for authority by the public must be EARNED by those entrusted with authority.

unquestioning piety to authority is not democratic and the surest path to the loss of civil liberties.

frankly, at this point, i don't care where you come from, because it's obvious you have no points to make related to CANADA, where we currently live, and where all of these events occurred. you don't see others suggesting their experiences from other countries should be germane here, because they are smart enough to comprehend that they are completely irrelevant.

any time you want to cite sections of the constitution, the charter of rights and freedoms, or even the criminal code of canada to support your points, go for it. . .'cause, you know, it applies to canada. . .

What would it accomplish, and who should be the parties involved?

And, as always, how much money are you thinking?

enough to discourage individual officers from thinking that they can trample the rights of citizens without consequences.

 

[FiReSTaRT]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

Cops bad, everyone else good.
Got it.

I'm not being anti-cop here.. It's just a standard police tactic here in Canada.. [video=youtube;gAfzUOx53Rg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAfzUOx53Rg[/video] Hell, they even admitted it. If they could do it in Montebello, why not Toronto? And then ask yourself why the police were standing down while "black bloc" people were wrecking the city and then they moved in on innocent protesters with extreme prejudice?
Here's the event that cast the initial suspicion on Quebec cops, which they confirmed by their own admission. [video=youtube;7S1nHvvkzvA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S1nHvvkzvA[/video]

 

[mat2312]

Re: TPS Officer from 52 Division Died today

You just presented my usual argument for why I am glad that you cannot carry a concealed firearm in Canada (without a ton of hoops at least).

Cause you know it's better to give someone zero chance because they might not be effective rather than letting honest law abiding citizens have a fighting chance if they're threatened... :jerk:

 

[mlc]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

enough to discourage individual officers from thinking that they can trample the rights of citizens without consequences.

But weren't those officers acting under orders?

If you slip and fall on a wet floor in any of my places of business, and want to sue someone, you won't be suing my employees, even if they left the floor in a slippery condition. You will be suing me.

Who are the parties involved in your class action suit, and how will it help? How much money should be sought in damages?

 

[AdRath]

Re: TPS Officer from 52 Division Died today

Cause you know it's better to give someone zero chance because they might not be effective rather than letting honest law abiding citizens have a fighting chance if they're threatened... :jerk:

I'm thinking of the people around them. You know the law abiding citizens who have the right to not have a gun fired within yards of them. Do your rights trump others?

Not the thread for this but we can continue this in another thread but we will never agree due to a difference of how we see things.

 

[afong56]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

But weren't those officers acting under orders?

If you slip and fall on a wet floor in any of my places of business, and want to sue someone, you won't be suing my employees, even if they left the floor in a slippery condition. You will be suing me.

Who are the parties involved in your class action suit, and how will it help? How much money should be sought in damages?

if those orders involved assaulting individuals, using excessive force on unarmed civilians, then perhaps the parties involved need to be expanded. somehow i think a lot of those officers took their orders and freelanced the part where they gooned people behind cover and went beyond detention and into criminal assault.

it may also include those who knowingly misled or were disingenuous to the public. . .

 

[FiReSTaRT]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

The "I was just following orders" b.s. didn't fly at the Nazi war criminals trials. Why should it fly here? Same principle.. If your orders involve illegal and immoral acts, you are under moral obligation to give the boss-man the ****-finger.

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