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[rafiki911]

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Re: TPS Officer from 52 Division Died today

A firing range is a controlled enviroment, you have time to focus, use correct posture, aim, etc..

A shooting in the real world encompasses many variables, wind, natural light or lack off, line of sight-- if the police officer misses, that bullet travels until it runs out of velocity or hits something--a huge consideration for police officers. Most important, its the emotion of a life and death situation- adreline etc.. that effects the outcome.

No amount of training will prepare a police officer or army personal to react with 100% effieceny in that type of situation.

What I dont understand is why was this truck not taken out, pivot manouver, rammed from behind, smashed into etc... me thinks that police officers were hesitant because of the SIU implications or whatever back politics are in play that we know nothing about.

If its safe to follow around a madman in a plow that is using it as a weapon against people and property within the city limits why was that truck not rammed??

I do agree that shooting in a range and shooting in real life with adrenalin going is completely different. I also believe the more you train (especially scenario training) the better prepared you will be in an emergency where you need to react quickly and accurately. Most cops do not have good accuracy and need to practice way more than they do. ETF trains everyday at work until they are dispatched to a call. You telling me that they are not better prepared in these kind of situations. With any job that you have you can do the required training or you can better your self and take extra training or range time or what ever to make you better at what you do and safer. There is no such thing as training to much. Also, totally not saying that is what happened in this case but in general.

 

[freedomfighter]

Re: TPS Officer from 52 Division Died today

Stop him with what his bullet proof vest? No i dont understand why he was out of his car, and put him self in such close proximity to a moving 7000lb+ truck with a plow on it?? dont make a whole lot of scene, They obviously knew this guy was tweaked out on some drug or not all there?

i know someone on the inside. he got out of his car stood in the road to draw the attention of the guy. and his partner was on the sidewalk so she could shoot at him from the side. but she chickend out and he was hit buy the shovel.
now ask yourself this some guy in the middle of the road shooting at you and you have 2 inch of armour plating to protect you..yea you would be going for the dirt nap.
self defence if you ask me.

 

[twinn]

Re: TPS Officer from 52 Division Died today

I do agree that shooting in a range and shooting in real life with adrenalin going is completely different. I also believe the more you train (especially scenario training) the better prepared you will be in an emergency where you need to react quickly and accurately. Most cops do not have good accuracy and need to practice way more than they do. ETF trains everyday at work until they are dispatched to a call. You telling me that they are not better prepared in these kind of situations. With any job that you have you can do the required training or you can better your self and take extra training or range time or what ever to make you better at what you do and safer. There is no such thing as training to much. Also, totally not saying that is what happened in this case but in general.

ETF get paid to work out all day--- thats what a cop i once dated told me, and she was being serious.

No training in the world is going to prepare you for a situation were you have to make a split second move to draw down on someone or not.

ETF is more reactionary-- they do not take a crap unless their sgt okay it.

 

[rafiki911]

Re: TPS Officer from 52 Division Died today

ETF get paid to work out all day--- thats what a cop i once dated told me, and she was being serious.

No training in the world is going to prepare you for a situation were you have to make a split second move to draw down on someone or not.

ETF is more reactionary-- they do not take a crap unless their sgt okay it.

Sorry I have worked in jobs where I had split seconds to react or have my *** kicked by someone who really doesn't want to go back to jail or someone that really really needs his crack. Trust me I am talking from first hand experience when I say that training helps. The more you train the more second nature something is to you. Which means when you dont have the time to think, it comes naturally to you.

 

[oilycreek]

Re: TPS Officer from 52 Division Died today

i know someone on the inside. he got out of his car stood in the road to draw the attention of the guy. and his partner was on the sidewalk so she could shoot at him from the side. but she chickend out and he was hit buy the shovel.
now ask yourself this some guy in the middle of the road shooting at you and you have 2 inch of armour plating to protect you..yea you would be going for the dirt nap.
self defence if you ask me.

I doubt you know anyone on the inside. Unless he has taken your girlfriend from you, but then why would he tell you anything. I won't or can't say what I know or how i know it, but what you are saying is totally false.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

Re: TPS Officer from 52 Division Died today

I won't or can't say what I know or how i know it.

Ok, Mulder.

 

[short stop]

Re: TPS Officer from 52 Division Died today

Sorry I have worked in jobs where I had split seconds to react or have my *** kicked by someone who really doesn't want to go back to jail or someone that really really needs his crack. Trust me I am talking from first hand experience when I say that training helps. The more you train the more second nature something is to you. Which means when you dont have the time to think, it comes naturally to you.

+ 1. There are two types of people: those who will freeze in reaction to a situation and those who will react. Those in the latter group benefit greatly from constant practice and drills. This is coming from first hand experience as well.

 

[eastcoast_gsx]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/01/15/bc-mountie-kick.html

"I want to ensure the public that senior members of the RCMP hear loud and clear what the general public's views are in relation to the video that has been shown across the country and is readily accessible on the internet," McKinnon said, reading from a prepared statement.

Translation, too bad you guys found out, but seems you did, we will have to act.

As for the bold and underlined part... why in the hell would a senior RCMP Officer have to wait and guage the publics opinion of an act such as this, are they politicians or law enforcement officials who are tasked with upholding the charter for each and every canadian. I would not need to wait for public opinion to judge the actions of a person of authority in that video...

Wrong message... try again moron.

 

[twinn]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/police-rec...fficer-arrest-caught-20110116-111722-784.html

Looks like the police are getting a little worried. Like how the cheif goes on TV to warn citizens that " there might be violence" at the protest in an attempt to keep the numbers down.

Its a small community out there and people are pretty upset.

 

[eastcoast_gsx]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

PS: Drop the charges against Buddy Tavares, they are simply part of your "angle"...

 

[FiReSTaRT]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

Looks like those police brutality incidents are especially prevalent in B.C. No wonder they got together for a rally. Even the sheep can only take so much abuse from a bad regional policing culture.

 

[dankyyz]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

Looks like those police brutality incidents are especially prevalent in B.C. No wonder they got together for a rally. Even the sheep can only take so much abuse from a bad regional policing culture.

Or that is where all the granola types congregate to taunt the local police. Then scream brutality like a soccer player on the ground during the playoffs...rolling around in pain, till the flag comes out. Then trotting off with a triumphant smile as the adversary deals with the penalty.

Maybe....

 

[AdRath]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

Or that is where all the granola types congregate to taunt the local police. Then scream brutality like a soccer player on the ground during the playoffs...rolling around in pain, till the flag comes out. Then trotting off with a triumphant smile as the adversary deals with the penalty.

Maybe....

Looks like assault charges are being recommended against the RCMP officer by the outside investigators. Maybe the 'Granola types' have a valid point?

 

[afong56]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

Or that is where all the granola types congregate to taunt the local police. Then scream brutality like a soccer player on the ground during the playoffs...rolling around in pain, till the flag comes out. Then trotting off with a triumphant smile as the adversary deals with the penalty.

Maybe....

and you expect people to take you serious with posts like this?

. . .what the apologists for police criminality fail to realize is that when the cowboy culture of the bad cops gets defended, justified, or simply hidden behind obfuscation, the over-all confidence for all law enforcement takes a hit.

law-abiding citizens want to be able to trust police officers, but the basic rule of law must apply--in fact, leo's have more powers so they should adhere to a HIGHER standard of conduct, not lower.

if a trained police officer cannot handle a citizen who is slow to respond, or even a little mouthy, then they either need to be re-trained or are simply in the wrong profession.

the tps or the rcmp, for the sake of the general public and for their own reputation, need to get rid of the bad seeds so that the good cops can shine.

 

[01cbr]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

and you expect people to take you serious with posts like this?

. . .what the apologists for police criminality fail to realize is that when the cowboy culture of the bad cops gets defended, justified, or simply hidden behind obfuscation, the over-all confidence for all law enforcement takes a hit.

law-abiding citizens want to be able to trust police officers, but the basic rule of law must apply--in fact, leo's have more powers so they should adhere to a HIGHER standard of conduct, not lower.

if a trained police officer cannot handle a citizen who is slow to respond, or even a little mouthy, then they either need to be re-trained or are simply in the wrong profession.

the tps or the rcmp, for the sake of the general public and for their own reputation, need to get rid of the bad seeds so that the good cops can shine.

You expect the police brutality issues to be taken serious when this whole thing was seen coming well before it ever happened?

With all the curuption/ butality that has happened and continues to happen in this world you think there would be fewer cry babies running around.

 

[Shaman]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

law-abiding citizens want to be able to trust police officers, but the basic rule of law must apply--in fact, leo's have more powers so they should adhere to a HIGHER standard of conduct, not lower.

It's not safe to call or even talk to a LEO anymore. Even off-duty.

 

[afong56]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

You expect the police brutality issues to be taken serious when this whole thing was seen coming well before it ever happened?

With all the curuption/ butality that has happened and continues to happen in this world you think there would be fewer cry babies running around.

help me understand what you are trying to say here. . .

are you suggesting that because corruption and brutality is so widespread, we should not bother making public our objection to it, lest be we labeled 'crybabies'???

are you seriously implying that we should just accept the fact that the police are corrupt and brutal?

please tell me i have mis-interpreted you

 

[afong56]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

It's not safe to call or even talk to a LEO anymore. Even off-duty.

that's overstated. i know many leo's and have no problem talking to the majority of them. i know of one who is a cowboy, and i don't waste my time with him. . .you should see his kids--there's no mistaking who their daddy is. . .

i try not to let the bad apples ruin the barrel in my estimation of the police services. . .like most canadians.

 

[01cbr]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

help me understand what you are trying to say here. . .

are you suggesting that because corruption and brutality is so widespread, we should not bother making public our objection to it, lest be we labeled 'crybabies'???

are you seriously implying that we should just accept the fact that the police are corrupt and brutal?

please tell me i have mis-interpreted you

I personally think a lot of protestors deserve a kick in the head.


Comparing the G20 "corruption" and "brutality" to that which takes place in other countries and what has happened in our past is a slap in the face to those who really suffered through it.

All the G20 protestors knew what they were getting into. If no one showed up to protest they wouldnt have anything to ***** about.

 

[CruisnGrrl]

Re: Police State Canada 2010 and the G20 Summit

I personally think a lot of protestors deserve a kick in the head.


Comparing the G20 "corruption" and "brutality" to that which takes place in other countries and what has happened in our past is a slap in the face to those who really suffered through it.

All the G20 protestors knew what they were getting into. If no one showed up to protest they wouldnt have anything to ***** about.

And what about those that weren't protesting that were treated like **** because they happened to be in the area, some because that is where they live.

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