Law Enforcement - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.....

Who was in the wrong?

  • Cop

    Votes: 23 20.7%

  • Dude who got shot

    Votes: 33 29.7%

  • I like turtles

    Votes: 55 49.5%
  • Total voters
    111
Shaman said:
What's your basis for supporting them? Because you want them to be warm and cuddly, and keep you safe? Or direct contact?
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I know a couple, I've met a lot. My experience is that they're people like everyone else. Good, bad, stupid, smart - just people, the difference is that they're people for whom most contact with the public has some sort of negative connotation... big shock, a lot of us don't like being on the receiving end of a ticket, a stop or a charge.

This thread sounds like sour grapes.
 
fastar1 said:
I just did! You can't demonstrate that what he said was a lie, yet you made that claim. Therefore, it is MADE UP.
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Uh............... no. Right now I don't have time to address this idiocy. Carry on. I guarantee I think as lowly of you as you claim to of me.

Spoken like a true fundamentalist. I don't think you've ever experienced what it is to actually know something.
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Spoken like a true forum troll.

None of what you say justifies any of what you are saying. You appear not to know that you are in the thread with hundreds of posted cases of police acting like thugs and criminals...
 
mugwug said:
I know a couple, I've met a lot. My experience is that they're people like everyone else. Good, bad, stupid, smart - just people, the difference is that they're people for whom most contact with the public has some sort of negative connotation... big shock, a lot of us don't like being on the receiving end of a ticket, a stop or a charge.
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Oh, you know some people. They're just like everyone else.

Except that they wear a badge, and a gun, which they take advantage of, both on the job and in personal life. But they're just like everyone else.

Got it.
 
Really?

The cops you've met were evil so you know what you're talking about, the cops I've met were clearly pulling the wool over my eyes so I'm deluded.

Uh huh. Convincing.
 
Shaman said:
....You appear not to know that you are in the thread with hundreds of posted cases of police acting like thugs and criminals...
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It's also telling that in the last few years a few hundred peace officers in North America had been killed in the line of duty.

I didn't know them any better than the thugs or criminals you've posted here about but I'm not prepared to rush to judgement on their character on your say so.

Just people dude, good ones and bad ones.
 
mugwug said:
It's also telling that in the last few years a few hundred peace officers in North America had been killed in the line of duty.
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That many high climbers (for the cell tower industry) have died. More than that many construction workers have died. Police is about #30 on the list of hazardous occupations. What's your point?

I didn't know them any better than the thugs or criminals you've posted here about but I'm not prepared to rush to judgement on their character on your say so.
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That's fine. So go cruise the thread. It's not just my "say-so." But as I outlined, I not only have worked with and hung out with police, but I've known an H.R. person in the forces for years (although that person has moved on, as I found out a while ago), who likely knows more about the subject than every member on this forum combined. Police are - by and large - not good model citizens in their personal or professional lives. If you trust them, maybe you'll be fortunate, maybe you won't. One thing that a lot of people can't get their head around ... if a cop is your friend or the friend of a close friend, you're in a sheltered position that other people are not... and you ARE treated differently by that officer, so your perspective is likely to be skewed.

Take a look at this story:

http://www.copblock.org/27715/middle-aged-woman-attacked-by-police-officer-in-her-home/
 
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So Steve. That makes you the resident expert?

GTAM is full of experts lately lol
 
GTAM is a never-ending circle jerk. What's your point?

(like all forums)
 
Rob MacLennan said:
Yes, you're right when the Chief of Police refers to a specific small group of officers :rolleyes:
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The problem is that I observe that behavior not only from a small group of officers but from officers all over the city consistently

Police Officers driving while on the phone
Police Officers parking their cars on unauthorized spots
Police Officers speeding without their cherrys on
Police officers turning lanes without using their turning signal

Police officers giving their wifes and Girlfriends a necklace with their badge number so other officer recognize them and do not give them tickets for traffic violations

On and on
 
Cops are legally exempt from the handheld device law.

I have a friend that worked in the drug task force same time Blair did. The stories he told about his fellow officers extorting/beating suspects for money/drugs, light weights and short counts going into evidence, and bribery would have made Frank Serpico shake his head. Everyone of them knew about it, from the top of the food chain down. He ended up transferring out because of the lose-lose situation staying in the unit put him in.
 
FullMotoJacket said:
I have a friend that worked in the drug task force same time Blair did. The stories he told about his fellow officers extorting/beating suspects for money/drugs, light weights and short counts going into evidence, and bribery would have made Frank Serpico shake his head. Everyone of them knew about it, from the top of the food chain down. He ended up transferring out because of the lose-lose situation staying in the unit put him in.
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This is exactly what the cops are really like. Very few regular people have the guts to look into the face of it and speak out. There's a street in Kingston where the cops do all sorts of shady stuff, well known to the locals, but who's policing the police?
 
ZX600 said:
The problem is that I observe that behavior not only from a small group of officers but from officers all over the city consistently

Police Officers driving while on the phone
Police Officers parking their cars on unauthorized spots
Police Officers speeding without their cherrys on
Police officers turning lanes without using their turning signal

Police officers giving their wifes and Girlfriends a necklace with their badge number so other officer recognize them and do not give them tickets for traffic violations

On and on
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I was commenting on Shaman's assumption that Blair was painting all of his officers with the same brush, when that clearly was not the case.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
I was commenting on Shaman's assumption that Blair was painting all of his officers with the same brush, when that clearly was not the case.
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A subject on which we disagree. You don't blanket 8,000 people with the same message unless you want to be sure they all got the message.
 
Shaman said:
A subject on which we disagree. You don't blanket 8,000 people with the same message unless you want to be sure they all got the message.
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Really? I've received memos from directors, assistant directors, and managers that obviously pertain to a single person who acts outside of rules or policy, through my last 3 jobs, precisely because those managerial people can't single out a lone employee.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
Really? I've received memos from directors, assistant directors, and managers that obviously pertain to a single person who acts outside of rules or policy, through my last 3 jobs, precisely because those managerial people can't single out a lone employee.
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And if they didn't think someone else might be doing the same, you never would have had such a memo.
 
Shaman said:
And if they didn't think someone else might be doing the same, you never would have had such a memo.
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So if you got a memo from work like that you'd assume you're guilty with the rest regardless? Or take that as a "you've been warned"?
 
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