Law Enforcement - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.....

[AGAVE]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/14/chavis-carter-video_n_1776318.html
http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c2...n-suicide-or-coverup-arkansas-reenactment.cnn

So the dude was so depressed for getting arrested on a minor weed charge, that he offed himself..... hmmm
He was searched before being put into the car, but he managed to hide a handgun....hmmmm.

"Teresa Carter, Carter’s mother, claims that while her son was shot in the right temple, he was left-handed. And that he made a phone call during the initial traffic stop in which he told his girlfriend that he would call her from jail, behavior that Carter’s supporters say is counter to that of a suicidal person."

 

[Shaman]

Then there's THIS jerk:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/08/cop-shoots-man-after-running-down-daughter/

 

[Macs]

Then there's THIS jerk:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/08/cop-shoots-man-after-running-down-daughter/

You're telling me someone that was willing to dump the bike to save the kid (who wound up virtually uninjured) would then get up and murder the father in cold blood? You're absolutely ridiculous.

I'm inclined to believe every word of this:

“He was on his way home and a 4-year-old ran out into traffic,” said Camden. “He had a choice of hitting her head-on or dumping his bike and taking the personal injury to avoid hitting the 4-year old – which he did. But as he dumped the bike, it slid across the road. She wound up getting nicked by the bike. He wound up with a broken ankle, a dislocated shoulder.”
“After the accident he gets up and the girl’s father became irate with him and comes over to him,” Camden continued. “The officer tells him, ‘I’m the police. Take it easy.’ The guy says, ‘I don’t give a [bleep] who you are’ and hits him in the face. Another man hits him from behind. The officer goes to the ground. They’re beating him and he’s about to lose consciousness. He pulls his weapon to defend himself at that point, fires one shot, and kills one of the individuals who happens to be the father of the 4-year-old.”
“Had the father simply stood there instead of attacking a police officer he might be alive today,” Camden stated.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/14/chavis-carter-video_n_1776318.html
http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c2...n-suicide-or-coverup-arkansas-reenactment.cnn


So the dude was so depressed for getting arrested on a minor weed charge, that he offed himself..... hmmm
He was searched before being put into the car, but he managed to hide a handgun....hmmmm.


"Teresa Carter, Carter’s mother, claims that while her son was shot in the right temple, he was left-handed. And that he made a phone call during the initial traffic stop in which he told his girlfriend that he would call her from jail, behavior that Carter’s supporters say is counter to that of a suicidal person."

That's sketchy as hell assuming what the family says is true, although it's not the first or last time an arrestee would've snuck in a small gun.

 

[Shaman]

I'm curious as to what the bystanders have to say. I don't believe things cops tell me.

 

[fastar1]

I'm curious as to what the bystanders have to say. I don't believe things cops tell me.

At 1:23 there are four people on camera who apprently all witnessed the altercation first hand and tell the reporter that the cop didn't identify himself as an officer. Do you believe things bystanders tell you?

 

[Shaman]

I will if they put it in writing and sign it, yes.

 

[Macs]

I will if they put it in writing and sign it, yes.

The son already admitted to assaulting the officer with his father because they were enraged. It's another family member that was NOT at the scene that says "he would never hurt a fly :'( " If it was me getting beaten while down with broken bones I would've shot many more times than once.

The witnesses all agree that: The officer put down the bike when the girl ran into the street. The brother and father ran over and confronted the officer. They began assaulting the officer. The officer fired one time injuring the father. The father died either in the ambulance or at the hospital.

They're arguing he didn't identify himself as a cop until after the shooting, which is an irrelevant point.

And as I said before, Illinois allows Concealed Carry. The fact that he was an OFF DUTY cop means NOTHING in this case. All it is is media fodder so they can sell headlines.

 

[-Maverick-]

So keep your opinion to yourself then - this GTAM thread "consensus" clearly shows that your opinion is more in tune with the average squid that is looking for a no-consequences, blame the Po-Po for anything that happens, ride. It's refreshing to see that so far, that squidus-stupendous consensus is lacking here on GTAM for once.

Go find somewhere else to immaturely whine about the Injustices of The Man, in this case.

Cause and effect genius. There's a reason most police forces have a no-chase policy.

 

[fastar1]

Cause and effect genius. There's a reason most police forces have a no-chase policy.

So you're saying that he broke protocol by giving chase?

Or that he should have implemented his own no-chase policy regardless of his obligations? And why, because of all the traffic???

Or... you're saying all police forces should have a no-chase policy and if they don't then it's their fault if a runner gets killed?

There is no interpretation of your objection to the cop's actions that makes any sense to me.

 

[imkruzen]

Re: Another cop chases/kills rider

[h=1]Video: Cop Shoots Dog In East Village[/h]

 

[fastar1]

Re: Another cop chases/kills rider

That has to be the worst reporting I've ever read.

 

[Bandit Bill]

Cause and effect genius. There's a reason most police forces have a no-chase policy.

A case of the Chicken or the Egg argument, Sparky. If there was no running, there would be no chasing. The solution is simple. Don't run. Stop at the side of the road, and man-up to the legal consequences and get on with the rest of your life, instead of potentially ending up dying in a ditch, literally by your own hand (or a twist of the wrist as the case may be).

F'in incredible the sense of self-entitlement to get away with road-crimes, just because they think the cops shouldn't be chasing them in order to legally slap their little pee-pee.

 

[Shaman]

And what if you don't agree that you've done a crime?

 

[mugwug]

And what if you don't agree that you've done a crime?

Then argue it in court, losing there will hurt less.

 

[Bandit Bill]

And what if you don't agree that you've done a crime?

Sounds suspiciously like a ridiculous 'Freeman' argument to me...

 

[Rob MacLennan]

Then argue it in court, losing there will hurt less.

Exactly.

 

[coyo]

Re: Another cop chases/kills rider

Video: Cop Shoots Dog In East Village

Can't fault the cop here; the guy on the ground needs help, the dog goes after the woman then turns and goes after the cop. Gotta give the cop credit for a quick assessment, quick draw, and quick and accurately fired shot.

But I suppose many here feel that he should have let the dog bite him.

 

[coyo]

The son already admitted to assaulting the officer with his father because they were enraged. It's another family member that was NOT at the scene that says "he would never hurt a fly :'( " If it was me getting beaten while down with broken bones I would've shot many more times than once.

The witnesses all agree that: The officer put down the bike when the girl ran into the street. The brother and father ran over and confronted the officer. They began assaulting the officer. The officer fired one time injuring the father. The father died either in the ambulance or at the hospital.

They're arguing he didn't identify himself as a cop until after the shooting, which is an irrelevant point.

And as I said before, Illinois allows Concealed Carry. The fact that he was an OFF DUTY cop means NOTHING in this case. All it is is media fodder so they can sell headlines.

I wouldn't expect anyone to lay back and take the beating, especially if they're starting to lose consciousness. This was pure self defense, regardless of the guy's profession.

 

[OpenGambit]

for the amount of hits to the head he said he took, you should probably expect some head area injuries... But the only disclosed injuries seem to be from the bike dump.

 

[Shaman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meqSjgMKv-I

Stupid, frightened, cruel animals.

Then argue it in court, losing there will hurt less.

So, allow yourself to be thrown directly into a self-perpetuating system, the very one that created the laws that you don't agree with. Great plan. Let me know how that plan works for you if you ever find yourself in that position. Not to mention that you will first have to deal with the stupid, frightened, heavily armed animals in the police force...