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Petition to tell Justin Trudeau to leave Canadian firearms owners alone. Goal was 25,000. Passed 43,000 overnight. Please sign if you value your freedoms.

Thousands already sign petition to leave gun owners alone - Canada News

An online petition asking the federal Liberals leave legal gun owners alone is exploding with signatures.

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i suspect this is why he will not be speaking to the press today, don't wan't to yield question about the new gun law he pushed on people

 

[miggs]

Gun bans worked somewhat in Japan, the UK, New Zealand and Australia but there’s one very large, elephant-in-the-room, geographical difference between all of those and Canada.

Why doesn't someone go to Chicago and ask the families of the 500 victims of gun homicide last year how they feel about how their city's total gun ban is working out?

How many people in the UK and Japan were stabbed or clubbed last year because they have no access to guns.

Evil people will always find a way to do evil things...

 

[jc100]

Why doesn't someone go to Chicago and ask the families of the 500 victims of gun homicide last year how they feel about how their city's total gun ban is working out?

How many people in the UK and Japan were stabbed or clubbed last year because they have no access to guns.

Evil people will always find a way to do evil things...

yes but that’s precisely my point with respect to Chicago, there’s not a sealed border around Chicago and we don’t have one with the US.

 

[JTR]

yes but that’s precisely my point with respect to Chicago, there’s not a sealed border around Chicago and we don’t have one with the US.

Extremely effective to keep people safe in China, where private citizens are prohibited from owning any firearms, nobody gets mass murdered there.... oh wait Knife attack at China train station leaves at least 27 dead

Well sure, in Japan, the little kids are safer going to school than they are here, since there are no guns there... damn Man stabs schoolgirls in Japan, killing 2
More Japan: Suspect admits Japan care home mass killings
More Recent Japan: 2 Killed, At Least 17 Others Injured In Japan Mass Stabbing

Another one in America shows how resourceful somebody with intent can be, whether they have a gun or not Mass stabbing at US high school

 

[miggs]

By the Liberals mindset we should ban private ownership of all vehicles too!

Who needs a 5000lb death dealing machine!

I'm tired of all these hit and runs, van attacks, car crashes, intoxicated driving issues.

Don't like it?
Take a bus, train, subway, bike, walk, rollerblade, dog sled...

Responsible people don't need assault vehicles capable of accelerating to 200km/hr!

Think of how much safer and healthier we'll all be! ?

 

[JTR]

By the Liberals mindset we should ban private ownership of all vehicles too!

Who needs a 5000lb death dealing machine!

I'm tired of all these hit and runs, van attacks, car crashes, intoxicated driving issues.

Don't like it?
Take a bus, train, subway, bike, walk, rollerblade, dog sled...

Responsible people don't need assault vehicles capable of accelerating to 200km/hr!

Think of how much safer and healthier we'll all be! ?

Especially those FULLY AUTOMATIC TESLAS!!!

 

[BB722]

Canada’s Prime Dictator

 

[miggs]

Especially those FULLY AUTOMATIC TESLAS!!!

And they don't make any noise.
BAN suppressed assault cars now!

 

[Wingboy]

Y'all from Michigan?

 

[800over]

We live in a democracy....4 out of 5 say ban assault weapons. Fine with me. I don't know why anyone needs one. You want to defend yourself there are a lot of options. The argument that other things kill people wouldn't really work in any other scenario would it? Make an argument why a private citizen needs an assault weapon. Maybe someone will listen..but I haven't seen a good one yet. Just admit that you think guns are cool and you want one.....that's about the only valid reason I can see. But it doesn't override the 80%. We don't have fluoride in our water because of 51%.....so I guess we lose assault weapons to the 80%.

 

[Wingboy]

My grandparents home was typical of a Scarborough home. A deer rifle,a 12 gauge, a 410 and a 22. Each one has is uses. They were stored in the bedroom closet. Ammo in the cupboard above the icebox. (This is 1959) My uncle taught me how to get groundhogs (50 cents/tail) and target shoot with a 22 on his property in Vandorf north of Toronto. My grandmother was arrested for shooting a pheasant from her bedroom window in 1959 with her 410.
If my granny or uncle looked at any of the banned firearms they would just shake their heads.WTF hadn't been invented yet.

 

[JTR]

We live in a democracy....4 out of 5 say ban assault weapons. Fine with me. I don't know why anyone needs one. You want to defend yourself there are a lot of options. The argument that other things kill people wouldn't really work in any other scenario would it? Make an argument why a private citizen needs an assault weapon. Maybe someone will listen..but I haven't seen a good one yet. Just admit that you think guns are cool and you want one.....that's about the only valid reason I can see. But it doesn't override the 80%. We don't have fluoride in our water because of 51%.....so I guess we lose assault weapons to the 80%.

There's so much wrong with what you just said I don't even know where to start. I guess start with "assault weapons", define it please. What criteria does an "assault weapon" fall under? I can't address the next blabber until that's established. However, I can say that the reason the "other things kill" argument is valid, is because the weapon isn't the problem, the person holding it, and their intent, is the problem. Removing the weapon does not remove the intent, and intent always finds a way. Next, 80% Democracy? first, no. Don't try to make an argument with made up numbers out of your ass and try to be taken seriously. Democracy? Do you even know what has happened? This didn't go to the house of commons. It didn't face scrutiny or debate. There was absolutely nothing democratic about this bill. I don't recall the vote you're talking about, where 4 out of 5 people had no idea wtf was being asked of them. I still need to know a firm definition of the made up term "assault weapons" though.

 

[PrivatePilot]

-- $252 BILLION deficit. Including the provinces, that puts Canada well over $2 TRILLION in debt. Trudeau is handing money like a drunk to anyone who wants it.

So, just so we're clear....what do you think we should be doing right now?

I hear lots of complaints about how the government is handing out money right now and racking up debt.

But I don't hear a lot of these same people sharing their alternatives that they apparently feel constitutes a better idea.

 

[miggs]

There's so much wrong with what you just said I don't even know where to start. I guess start with "assault weapons", define it please. What criteria does an "assault weapon" fall under? I can't address the next blabber until that's established. However, I can say that the reason the "other things kill" argument is valid, is because the weapon isn't the problem, the person holding it, and their intent, is the problem. Removing the weapon does not remove the intent, and intent always finds a way. Next, 80% Democracy? first, no. Don't try to make an argument with made up numbers out of your ass and try to be taken seriously. Democracy? Do you even know what has happened? This didn't go to the house of commons. It didn't face scrutiny or debate. There was absolutely nothing democratic about this bill. I don't recall the vote you're talking about, where 4 out of 5 people had no idea wtf was being asked of them. I still need to know a firm definition of the made up term "assault weapons" though.

None of them can define assault rifle because they don't know what it is other than the scary looking black rifle they see on the news and in movies.

They only take what information the msm spoon feeds them, and they cling to that for dear life over any facts or relevant info that are provided.

Any attempts to teach or inform is just met with emotion and hurt feelings.

Some people like the fact that the government decides what is "good" for them and what will keep them "safe".

Most of us don't...

One can only hope that they open their eyes and see the light before Chairman Trudeau decides that their prefered hobby or pastime doesn't fit into his idea of the perfect regime and decides to ban that next.

A very scary precedent has been set this week where a government can pass law without holding a vote, a debate, or meeting.

 

[PrivatePilot]

Most of us don't...

When it comes to the topic of gun control in Canada, "most of" the citizens are strongly in support of it. The stats are very clear.

We've heard all the arguments, but most Canadians are looking at the photos coming out of the USA right now and don't feel that we want to "be just like them". Much to the contrary, obviously.

I'm not anti gun, but I'm anti "I need an assault rifle or handgun to shoot squirrels in my back yard".

And spare me the "But it's a slippery slope, next they'll take all our guns!" argument since it's entirely conjecture and opinion.

 

[jc100]

When it comes to the topic of gun control in Canada, "most of" the citizens are strongly in support of it. The stats are very clear.

We've heard all the arguments, but most Canadians are looking at the photos coming out of the USA right now and don't feel that we want to "be just like them". Much to the contrary, obviously.

I'm not anti gun, but I'm anti "I need an assault rifle or handgun to shoot squirrels in my back yard".

And spare me the "But it's a slippery slope, next they'll take all our guns!" argument since it's entirely conjecture and opinion.

That picture isn’t canada though and it never will be. The guns that were just prohibited were by and large already heavily restricted. You can’t take an AR 15 deer hunting, it’s range only. You have to travel with it secured in your vehicle to the range via the most direct routes and when you get it home it has to be secured againin an approved secure storage device. I don’t believe there has ever been a mass shooting with an AR15 in Canada. The guy in Nova Scotia got his weapons from the US or got them from those he eventually killed.

I am actually generally in favour of prohibiting weapons where it can demonstrably work and where it’s necessary but neither of those two cases actually apply to Canada right now. The majority of crimes aren’t from Canadian sourced weapons so all banning does is increase the profits for the smugglers. And as far as gun crime goes we are really not that high. Canada has strong gun laws and they work. What’s just happened won’t affect firearm crime one bit. It’s dumb reactionary political posturing for optics only and that’s something I wouldn’t take from any political party.

 

[JTR]

I don't need to shoot squirrels in my backyard, I need to shoot invaders in my home. Don't lecture me about law on that one either, I know the deal. I'll save my damn self, and deal with the aftermath. But in a home invasion, I'd rather be in jail than in the morgue.

 

[GreyGhost]

I don't need to shoot squirrels in my backyard, I need to shoot invaders in my home. Don't lecture me about law on that one either, I know the deal. I'll save my damn self, and deal with the aftermath. But in a home invasion, I'd rather be in jail than in the morgue.

That argument is dodgy at best. The number of people that actually shoot an armed home invader is probably much lower than the number of times they shoot someone that had zero intent to physically harm.

 

[JTR]

That's because this is Canada. Home invasion victims are almost always unarmed, and thanks to that they are usually left in a bloody mess, or worse.

 

[miggs]

When it comes to the topic of gun control in Canada, "most of" the citizens are strongly in support of it. The stats are very clear.

We've heard all the arguments, but most Canadians are looking at the photos coming out of the USA right now and don't feel that we want to "be just like them". Much to the contrary, obviously.

I'm not anti gun, but I'm anti "I need an assault rifle or handgun to shoot squirrels in my back yard".

And spare me the "But it's a slippery slope, next they'll take all our guns!" argument since it's entirely conjecture and opinion.

I'm sorry but again I just see more ignorance and emotion in your reply.

Do you know our gun laws?

This isn't America. You aren't allowed to walk around brandishing a firearm, let alone a restricted handgun or rifle.

Do you know the application, or storage process to own a restricted firearm?

Do you know that PAL/RPAL holders have a DAILY background check run on them by the RCMP?

How many gun crimes in Canada are caused by legal gun owners each year?

How many murders have been committed using legally owned "assault rifles" as you all call them, in Canada each year?

Am I upset that I now own 4 prohibited weapons? Yes. Because it's a hobby of mine that I enjoy(ed).

Not an apples to apples comparison, I know, but imagine (without using emotion) that tomorrow they pass a sweeping ban on motorcycles over 250cc's because there are far too many deaths each year.

No vote, no debate, only citing "polls" that people think they are too dangerous, and too loud, and too fast and no one should be allowed to ride them on the highways at double the speed limit.

You now immediately own an item you can't sell, buy, trade, register, or ride.

You are commanded to turn it in so it can be scrapped.

Oh but you like to ride?
Just be happy and say thank you that you can still have a 125 or 250.

How is that fair, just, or reasonable?