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Bit late to this but Bill 124 covers education support workers doesn’t it? We currently have an issue with the bill as when coupled with current inflation it effectively means pay cuts for anyone affected.
Does it mean pay cut or pay normalization?

If your previous employer agreed to pay you 30% above your peers, does she take on an obligation to perpetually index your pay against inflation and the pay rate of your peers?

Technically speaking a pay cut is a reduction in the hourly or salary rate -- it's not calculated of an index.

Is buying power cut -- absolutely. But I have no problem with normalizing pay rates if a labor group has enjoyed inflated pay. I don't agree in clawing back a windfall, but letting the market rates catch up to them is fair IMHO.
 
This is literally the same for every Canadian other then the Weston's. If everyone gets raises to match inflation then inflation gets worse as the supply/demand issues remain. If there is a recession do you think they'll take a pay cut? I certainly am not expecting a 10% raise this year.

it’s capped at 1%, that’s the issue.
 
Does it mean pay cut or pay normalization?

If your previous employer agreed to pay you 30% above your peers, does she take on an obligation to perpetually index your pay against inflation and the pay rate of your peers?

Technically speaking a pay cut is a reduction in the hourly or salary rate -- it's not calculated of an index.

Is buying power cut -- absolutely. But I have no problem with normalizing pay rates if a labor group has enjoyed inflated pay. I don't agree in clawing back a windfall, but letting the market rates catch up to them is fair IMHO.

It’s an effective pay cut. It’s only normalization in the minds of a few.
 
Kathleen Wynn legislated teachers, postal workers, power workers back to work but I think that they were still able to bargain while back to work. I don't agree with Doug imposing a contract. Police unions, nurse unions, etc have to negotiate without the threat of strike and at this point I think that the most important thing is keeping kids in school.

I thought they did back to work legislation but with mandatory arbitration. Here is a little different where they gave them only one option of a contract they choose.

My mom was part of CUPE for 15 years. The union was always telling them which party to vote for, and it was never the Conservatives. I have no doubt thats why we're where we are today.
 
Now for something completely different from a right-leaning Capitalist.

WE NEED TO REIGN IN CORPORATE PROFITEERING

I'm becoming increasingly convinced that large corporations are using the chaotic mess of inflation, supply chain disruption, gov't malaise to extract record profits from consumers. Whether in cahoots with one another or doing it solo, the economy has some sicknesses that only politicians can fix. Grocers, food suppliers, and Oil companies come first to mind. Strangely, while exceeding expectations banks and financial services giants don't seem to be gouging.

Time to tame this beast. I'd support a 50% profiteering tax on corporations that earn $1B or more per quarter in Canada. This would force oil and the food supply chain to rethink their pricing strategies.

Canadian oil companies are earning 3x what they were in 2021. They sold 20B/l of gas in the first 1/2 of 2022, they made $14B more money in that time than they did in 2021. That represents 70cents a litre just accounting for excess profits! (I know they sell more than just gasoline, but it's still a huge consumer gouge). And grocers are no better.

Loblaws profits in the last 90 days are better than any single year pre-pandemic.
 
The ratios are there to normalize a comparison.

If it annoys you, ignore the annual, use just the hourly rates -- the CUPE uplift remains the same.

OMERS members do make a contribution that is higher than comparable private defined benefit plans. But remember, not many private sector workers get a defined benefit pension anyway -- and none are as generous as OMERS. Roughly speaking I'd contributed 10% of my comp into top-up my TD plan (a rare gem of a plan in the Public sector), to make it close to OMERS. I had to go 35 years (vs 30) and there was no indexing to inflation once it started paying out.
Every plan is different but in the end OMERS, TPP, etc. employees pay more into their plans than MOST private sector plans do or ever did. At the same time defined benefit is now rare for NEW employees in the private sector with a big shift starting 2000 and mostly 2008. The big misinformation in general is that they get pension for near nothing (which was a private sector model in some cases, and why it failed)... Anyone, before judging, needs to look at their pay and ask if they would be willing to give up 10% to get that pension. To be fair a majority likely would think they would but a good minority could not afford to or would realize they may do better managing that 10% elsewhere (real estate, RRSP, TFSA, hookers and blow).

Because of how they were funded defined benefit plans in the private sector have all but gone the way of the Dodo (for new employees), 2008 put the final nail in the coffin for many that still existed (due to how they were funded, something for nothing or very little). But when they were more common they were lucrative in a different way as it was very uncommon to have the personal contribution be as high as public sector or your TD (~10% of gross pay). Like noted, too big to fail and totally not funded or a very low ratio employee contribution--the 2008 crisis was a final funding model awakening.

Many pension were/are not indexed to inflation (but others were) instead they were based on the best year(s) pay but pretty much what you got at 65 was what you got each month regardless of inflation. Payouts were based on many factors, straight years of service or magic number (age plus years of service), model varied better or worse depending on the employees situation.

They are still way more common than people realize as large companies have gone two-tier based on start date. They no longer let new employees into the defined benefit plan but employees already in it remain and it continues. Why, because the funding model in the private sector was different and broken (straight up ponzi). New employees get defined contribution only with matching, again 1:1 is common but not universal and they have limits.

On funding, a classic private sector defined benefit pension an employee does not pay into or pays a small ratio IS lucrative even if it pays less in the end. Input vs output. The public sector plans that survived 2008 (and likely private like your TD) based on the high employee contribution.

Of course in the private sector some also have no pension. Some have non-pension things like bonuses, profit sharing, RRSP matching, stock purchase plans. Some all the above! It is not a flat model. Even those that do, very few take that 10% off the top to contribute their portions, I know I don't.


On the hourly vs annual in the chart. The ratio is extremely important, being wrong makes one of the two numbers very wrong, either unknowingly or on purpose.
 
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Now for something completely different from a right-leaning Capitalist.

WE NEED TO REIGN IN CORPORATE PROFITEERING

I'm becoming increasingly convinced that large corporations are using the chaotic mess of inflation, supply chain disruption, gov't malaise to extract record profits from consumers. Whether in cahoots with one another or doing it solo, the economy has some sicknesses that only politicians can fix. Grocers, food suppliers, and Oil companies come first to mind. Strangely, while exceeding expectations banks and financial services giants don't seem to be gouging.

Time to tame this beast. I'd support a 50% profiteering tax on corporations that earn $1B or more per quarter in Canada. This would force oil and the food supply chain to rethink their pricing strategies.

Canadian oil companies are earning 3x what they were in 2021. They sold 20B/l of gas in the first 1/2 of 2022, they made $14B more money in that time than they did in 2021. That represents 70cents a litre just accounting for excess profits! (I know they sell more than just gasoline, but it's still a huge consumer gouge). And grocers are no better.

Loblaws profits in the last 90 days are better than any single year pre-pandemic.
For me being a capitalist.... I would like to see more details in the numbers.

A business model based on margins (like many are) will of course have higher net profits if costs increase and they maintain the margin. IMO no harm no foul. They could be nice and reduce margins of course. As an example, 10% of a billion is 100 million, 10% on 1.5 billion is 150 million.... obviously 50% more but the model did not change.

Now if they used the situation to crank up margins, still capitalism but much dirtier pool IMO.
 
I don't find that to be obscene. I'm never a fan of politicians giving themselves raises but I wouldn't take that job for $150,000. He's an MP and cabinet minister. Probably the most high profile AND hated cabinet minister. If he's got it so good then why doesn't your wife become an Education Minister?
She's retired. Stephen sounds a bit of a whiner pants to me. When I made that kind of money it was easy to make ends meet and I didn't ask the boss for help with my 80 km commute.

Edit: checked google map
 
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For me being a capitalist.... I would like to see more details in the numbers.

A business model based on margins (like many are) will of course have higher net profits if costs increase and they maintain the margin. IMO no harm no foul. They could be nice and reduce margins of course. As an example, 10% of a billion is 100 million, 10% on 1.5 billion is 150 million.... obviously 50% more but the model did not change.

Now if they used the situation to crank up margins, still capitalism but much dirtier pool IMO.
Loblaws certainly passes along increased prices. They also increased margins by 7.5% over their pre-pandemic performance.

 
Loblaws certainly passes along increased prices. They also increased margins by 7.5% over their pre-pandemic performance.

Those are the numbers i am interested in, the increase in margins is the problem.

No issue with more profits but I am not OK with jacking margins and using the pandemic as an excuse....
 
Our school board just confirmed all schools closed all next week. We don't even have many CUPE members, this is related to the OPSEU solidarity strike (without five days notice as legally required and besides that they are in the middle of a valid contract. F those guys and I hope the fines cripple them).
 
Our school board just confirmed all schools closed all next week. We don't even have many CUPE members, this is related to the OPSEU solidarity strike (without five days notice as legally required and besides that they are in the middle of a valid contract. F those guys and I hope the fines cripple them).
It could also be the janitors, schools really cannot open without them, are they CUPE in your board?

Back many many moons ago when they tried (during a strike) basically the schools were trashed once the kids figured out a giant mess gets them all to stay home. High schools were worse (faster) than elementary.
 
It could also be the janitors, schools really cannot open without them, are they CUPE in your board?

Back many many moons ago when they tried (during a strike) basically the schools were trashed once the kids figured out a giant mess gets them all to stay home. High schools were worse (faster) than elementary.
Our board can and has stayed open during a CUPE strike in the past. They planned on staying open until OPSEU decided to be treacherous aholes and pulled out. I don't even know how that is allowed. Pulling staff in a contract as moral support? Seems like grounds to nuke the union as a bad faith entity. Post the positions as non-union at the contract rate and the staff makes more as they don't need to pay their union overlords.
 
Our board can and has stayed open during a CUPE strike in the past. They planned on staying open until OPSEU decided to be treacherous aholes and pulled out. I don't even know how that is allowed. Pulling staff in a contract as moral support? Seems like grounds to nuke the union as a bad faith entity. Post the positions as non-union at the contract rate and the staff makes more as they don't need to pay their union overlords.
With labour shortage all around these days I am not sure the "scab" approach would work right now, are they going to get enough people without jacking the rates?
 
Our school board just confirmed all schools closed all next week. We don't even have many CUPE members, this is related to the OPSEU solidarity strike (without five days notice as legally required and besides that they are in the middle of a valid contract. F those guys and I hope the fines cripple them).
That's a sad thing.

Maybe it's time for Ontario to look at modernizing things in the school system:
  • privatize stuff that is doable by the private sector. I'm sure there are lots of capable small businesses that can bid on cleaning schools.
  • switch schools to year-round tri-mester system where students are in for 2 and teachers in for 3. This would maximize the use of human resources and still offer school staff plenty of vacation time.
  • enact right-to-work legislation so workers are not forced to join and pay for unions as a condition of employment
  • hold unions accountable and liable for communication that is patently misleading
 
With labour shortage all around these days I am not sure the "scab" approach would work right now, are they going to get enough people without jacking the rates?
They aren't scabs, they are the existing staff rehired outside of the union. If douggie could kick the union out for withdrawing services (especially when they are in the middle of a valid contract), the union has tons of members and no jobs.
 
On a related note, this sign is pretty good.

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