Oh I'm not out to convince anyone, just stating an opinion.
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Is no ABS a deal breaker on a first bike?
- Thread starter derekdel4
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TiburonJA
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It's just extra safety, I don't think anyone should ever say no to extra safety but at the same time, I don't think it should be a deal-breaker.
It also helps to know yourself as a person, if you're the type who can keep a level head in most situations and you know you have the basic skills to properly stop in an emergency without ABS then you should be fine. If you're not that confident it would def ease your mind to have it. IMO dealing with emergencies is always more mental than it is practical; you need very basic skills to know the limits of your bike and brakes when it comes to needing to stop hard and all you need to do is practice a bit to learn.
It also helps to know yourself as a person, if you're the type who can keep a level head in most situations and you know you have the basic skills to properly stop in an emergency without ABS then you should be fine. If you're not that confident it would def ease your mind to have it. IMO dealing with emergencies is always more mental than it is practical; you need very basic skills to know the limits of your bike and brakes when it comes to needing to stop hard and all you need to do is practice a bit to learn.
I think both of you are correct. My instructor is kinda of old fashioned and likes to teach how to ride if I were to hop on an 80s bike for example. She was trying to teach us how to feel and how we shouldn’t rely on technology. I think I am going to buy the bike, yes abs is safer, but this bike is the best deal I can find by far. I am mainly city riding and when I get the bike I’m going to take it easy and practice braking in parking lots. I think it will be fine. Plus after I have a year or two of experience I would like to upgrade to a 600 bike, and that one I would get abs
Was just DRIVING in a minivan on Dundas and a chick decided to blow through 7 lanes from a plaza to her townhouse. Thought I was going to kill her and her family in her Camry with my Odyssey with a t-bone.
This is why I want ABS on my bikes. Idiots happen.
I just slammed the brakes and the toys in the back were with me in the front seat.
This is why I want ABS on my bikes. Idiots happen.
I just slammed the brakes and the toys in the back were with me in the front seat.
Mad Mike
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I ride both, the first ABS bike I owned was about my 20th bike. I still have a handful of bikes, a couple have ABS.
I don’t recall a time when I felt ABS kick in while riding, experience let’s ones brain modulate brakes and keep from locking up.
New riders don’t have deep braking experience. They also have far less situationally experienced so the likelihood of finding themselves in an emergency braking situation will be higher.
For those two reasons a new rider will increase their chances of becoming an old rider if their beginner bikes are ABS equipped.
I can’t speak for experience and skilled riders, but for me lack of ABS wouldn’t be an issue when buying a bike.
I don’t recall a time when I felt ABS kick in while riding, experience let’s ones brain modulate brakes and keep from locking up.
New riders don’t have deep braking experience. They also have far less situationally experienced so the likelihood of finding themselves in an emergency braking situation will be higher.
For those two reasons a new rider will increase their chances of becoming an old rider if their beginner bikes are ABS equipped.
I can’t speak for experience and skilled riders, but for me lack of ABS wouldn’t be an issue when buying a bike.
caje
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I would not buy a street bike without ABS, especially if it's your first bike. There's a reason the EU has made ABS mandatory for all new bikes - it saves lives.
For the people that say "just learn how to brake and you won't need it" - all well and good, but in a real emergency situation where you're panicking and there's a lot going on all at once, you may not be as skilled as you think you are.
I watch MotoMadness quite a bit, and I've seen a lot of clips of guys, usually on older cruisers, try to emergency brake and end up going down. I'm sure they have a lot of KMs under their belt as well. **** happens and people panic. There's no reason to be against a safety device that doesn't interfere with the riding experience.
For the people that say "just learn how to brake and you won't need it" - all well and good, but in a real emergency situation where you're panicking and there's a lot going on all at once, you may not be as skilled as you think you are.
I watch MotoMadness quite a bit, and I've seen a lot of clips of guys, usually on older cruisers, try to emergency brake and end up going down. I'm sure they have a lot of KMs under their belt as well. **** happens and people panic. There's no reason to be against a safety device that doesn't interfere with the riding experience.
From what I'm reading on this thread, I don't see anyone being against ABS. The issue is *learning* how to emergency brake without ABS and developing that skill in the event that you find yourself on a motorcycle equipped without ABS or being on a bike that is experiencing an ABS failure.
Was on a demo ride a few years ago and the guy in front of me was botching up all of his downshifts. He'd just dump the clutch every time he shifted down and the bike would jerk violently in response.
After the test ride, I watched him as he got back on his Ninja 300... equipped with a slipper clutch. Buddy had never learned how to rev-match or let the clutch out properly to smooth out his downshifts.
I foresee this happening with riders who never learn how to emergency brake and just rely on the ABS to do all the braking for them. They're going to end up missing a key skill that technology has given them a free pass not to ever develop or work on.
The only reason I’m probably gonna get the bike is because any with abs are farther away, not saftied, multiple owners and are more expensive. I don’t really know what I’m getting into with those. A lot of bikes do not have abs so I don’t think it will be a deal breaker. Gonna wait another week and look around to see but also this bike is just gonna be a starter bike not gonna be riding. Forever
That makes sense. I am not gonna let a lack of abs stop me I don’t think, but I’m gonna look around for another week before buying a bike. The ones with abs are more expensive cars multiple owners, no safety etc so I don’t really know what kind of problems I’m buying
It would be a deal break if I was buying a non vintage bike for myself or any of my family.
How dedicated are you to going out to a parking lot and practicing?
Do you know how to improve, without hurting yourself?
With ABS you should still practice. It just makes it a little safer to do so.
I believe that the standard that you were evaluated on for the course was something like -0.5g.
The pros braking can get to just over(under?) -1g on good pavement with good tires.
ABS is somewhere in between, and has been advancing by leaps and bounds.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong with any of the above.
How dedicated are you to going out to a parking lot and practicing?
Do you know how to improve, without hurting yourself?
With ABS you should still practice. It just makes it a little safer to do so.
I believe that the standard that you were evaluated on for the course was something like -0.5g.
The pros braking can get to just over(under?) -1g on good pavement with good tires.
ABS is somewhere in between, and has been advancing by leaps and bounds.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong with any of the above.
Most people have said it’s not a deal breaker as long as I like the bike which I do. I’m definitely dedicated to practicing and the first week I ride I probably won’t even be on the road. It’s also a starter bike for me which I will most likely upgrade in a year or two. I’m also mainly riding around town ni highway
Why would you think they have lots of kms under their belt. I would think the opposite.
I bought my first bike without ABS and the next 12.
Ride what you want but, if you think m/c without ABS are dangerous maybe motorcycling isn't for you.
I read once motorcycles are the second most dangerous form of transportation next to home built aircraft.
From what I understand not having abs isn’t dangerous. But it makes it safer to have abs. If you know how to control your bike it should be fine. But it’s always good to have extra safety measures. I might go see a Honda cb 300F with abs before I decide to buy this ninja without abs. But I hear they’re pretty underpowered and I can’t really test ride someone’s bike as a new rider, they won’t allow that, so hard to feel it
Riders are underpowered much more than bikes.
If you only plan on having the bike for a year or two, then you won't have learned to ride the thing properly, unless your initials are something like MM, VR etc. 30 hp is plenty enough to get into HTA172, especially with the new 40 over rules.
The other issue is that there's a remote possibility at some point while you still own the bike, the government/insurance company, might mandate ABS for M2 riders; courses are pretty much mandated now, but the law hasn't caught up yet.
Really? Government has mandated that the motorcycle courses must have ABS bikes? News to me. Source?
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CriticalCore
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Wouldve locked up my front wheel and crashed in an intersection if not for ABS, definitely grab it for your first bike, panic breaking is no joke.
Once you're more confident you can get one without ABS if you want, most important thing is avoiding bad situations instead of relying on ABS to keep you out of them.
Once you're more confident you can get one without ABS if you want, most important thing is avoiding bad situations instead of relying on ABS to keep you out of them.
Even with a safety you don’t know what you’re buying. I prefer to do my own safety at my shop or be there for it if possible.
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