I thanked the Mayor, did you??

The $.05 is a fee, not a tax. Every look at your receipt? You buy the bags and they are also taxed on top. Lovely isn't it?

Lets do some math here.
Full grocery shopping 5 bags = total $0.25 plus tax = $0.28
$0.28 a week for 52 in the year = $14.56 per year.

This bothers you???


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What city did you say your in???

"City of bad drivers, Toronto"



got rid of half the street parking on Dundas West because it supposedly interfered with his beloved streetcars. Only affect was fewer spots encouraging more illegal parking resulting in more parking ticket revenue. It was always a smoke-screen with Miller, policies masked with ulterior motives.

Hows the traffic on Dundas west now?

Have you ever been to any larger city than Toronto?
Go to New York
Toronto is going to get that big soon.
Traffic will only get worse from this point on.
 
The bag tax/fee/whatever, for whatever the intent, has turned into extra revenue for retailers. The money is not going to the city, and it's not required to go to any sort of environmental cause. So... what was the point of that?

Miller fails on this one.
 
nah, definitely not ford's doing. it was the local councillor. . .took her five years of fighting for it, but she got it done:

http://www.insidetoronto.com/news/local/article/954796--returning-parking-spaces-to-dundas-west

she's been a councillor as long as Ford has been Mayor....she replaced Giambrone....sounds like it took more like 5 weeks


btw...from the article

Late last December, Mayor Rob Ford joined the local councillor on a walkabout with members of the local Business Improvement Area (BIA) and City of Toronto staff to hear first-hand the impacts of insufficient parking from local business owners and area residents
 
Actually Metro (the grocery store) charges for bags everywhere, not just in toronto, they try to tell you in trenton that it's the law but it's not, walmart and zellers don't charge yet places like no frills always charged even before toronto brought in the bag fee. the bags issue is moot, I keep a couple of the reusable ones in the car and just load stuff directly into the givi hard cases were bags would be annoying anyways. occasionally I'll grab a couple bags because they are great for garbage (cheaper too) and walking the dog in public.
 

I knew there was something wrong with this country. Thanks for clearing it up.

For clarity...LABOUR unions can be a good thing. When run properly they prevent employers from taking advantage of employee rights, especially when it comes to H&S. Sadly, most of them are bloated dinosaurs who would rather sit on their ***** on strike for months at a time rather that take a hair cut to KEEP their jobs. Not the fault of the average joe on the line, but they are the ones who need to speak up.

For further clarity...SERVICE unions are a ****ing joke. Why does someone working a cushy job for the government need even FURTHER job protection granted by a union. It's laughable.
 
she's been a councillor as long as Ford has been Mayor....she replaced Giambrone....sounds like it took more like 5 weeks


btw...from the article

Late last December, Mayor Rob Ford joined the local councillor on a walkabout with members of the local Business Improvement Area (BIA) and City of Toronto staff to hear first-hand the impacts of insufficient parking from local business owners and area residents

are you that desperate to put stuff in the win column for ford that you want to count this one?

lol, frankly, i would credit the local councilor and the area bia before ford, but if it helps your bias, go for it. . .
 
License stiker tax was to encourage public transit because traffic congestion is bad in Toronto.

I saw how beneficial public transit was to the public... especially lower class that struggles every month to make ends meet.

Before the recession they were saying "we need to increase fare because not enough people ride the TTC." During the recession the TTC ridership was up and more revenues and STILL the fares went up because there was too much ridership.

No matter how you spell it caving to the TTC union (which is an agent of evil... not good) everytime has put us in this situation. I prefer a mayor who will not cave to unions. If you compare what public agents in certain agencies such as the TTC get as compensation vs the private sector (both with unions) you'll see a HUGE discrepancy.

I LIVE in Toronto and have lived here for most of my life. First time I'm happy we have a mayor that's trying to solve things by not taking money from the public but making cuts within. I don't care if he swears or not. He can swear all he wants as long as he doesn't increase tax rates.
 
Definately not my opinion. Text me if you want more info.
rafi I don't need to text you, this is a public forum and we are all discussing our points of view, no need to get ****** off or to text anyone.

if you have information that would validate your point then post it, but just make statements without posting where your information is coming from just makes it your opinion. No?
 
The bag tax/fee/whatever, for whatever the intent, has turned into extra revenue for retailers. The money is not going to the city, and it's not required to go to any sort of environmental cause. So... what was the point of that?

The point was to encourage people to use re-usable shopping bags, to reduce landfill.
We also pay the $0.05 per bag up here too.


Toronto and you're not. So why are you even in this discussion? Enjoy your comfy small town lifestyle and leave the big city living to us who actually have a say in these matters.

I work in Toronto. Fords bad governance is affecting me.
I grew up in Toronto.
When I go on vacation I still tell people I'm from Toronto.

I knew there was something wrong with this country. Thanks for clearing it up.

For clarity...LABOUR unions can be a good thing. When run properly they prevent employers from taking advantage of employee rights, especially when it comes to H&S. Sadly, most of them are bloated dinosaurs who would rather sit on their ***** on strike for months at a time rather that take a hair cut to KEEP their jobs. Not the fault of the average joe on the line, but they are the ones who need to speak up.

For further clarity...SERVICE unions are a ****ing joke. Why does someone working a cushy job for the government need even FURTHER job protection granted by a union. It's laughable.

Something wrong with this country!!!!
Take a close look at the rest of the world. Really!
The only thing wrong with Canada is that it's too cold for 8 months of the year.

"we need to increase fare because not enough people ride the TTC."

Who said that quote?
Not anyone from the TTC.
Fares have always been raised because there is a shortage of funding from the 3 levels of government (municipal, provincial, federal)
The auto industry here in Ontario is huge!
You either support the auto industry (like Ford seems to be)
or support funding for the TTC (which comes from...you guessed it, the tax payers)
If you support the auto industry maybe you also like to see 1950's buses on Toronto's streets
 
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rafi I don't need to text you, this is a public forum and we are all discussing our points of view, no need to get ****** off or to text anyone.

if you have information that would validate your point then post it, but just make statements without posting where your information is coming from just makes it your opinion. No?

I wasn't mad, and I'm not sure why you are. Quit being a post Nazi. Some one stated "do you think any of the CUPE folks would dare go on strike under Ford???", with out having any information validating their statement yet I have to have proof for you to be satisfied. Sorry for not following ZX600 post 101. You might want to start a thread about that and get Paul to sticky it.
 
I wasn't mad, and I'm not sure why you are. Quit being a post Nazi. Some one stated "do you think any of the CUPE folks would dare go on strike under Ford???", with out having any information validating their statement yet I have to have proof for you to be satisfied. Sorry for not following ZX600 post 101. You might want to start a thread about that and get Paul to sticky it.
You made a very vague statement, I asked if you had any reference to your comment.

if backing up vague comments with your sources is zx600 posting natzism , then my apologies. Keep on talking out of your *** then.

Someone early on asked me to back my statements on what ford has done, I did with a comprehensive post.

I would still like to know why you said the next imminent garbage strike will be worse, I found it an interesting point and would like to know what makes you think that.

see I have said it many times, we can be friends and not agree on something, you in the other hand, get pissy and trow comments like the one I quoted just because I don't agree with you, you also see it as me insulting you or challenging you, so you may not want to get involved in the conversation next time.
 
Rob ford should have the TTC start charging customers for exactly how far they go on the TTC. It costs more to drive accross he city so why shouldn't it cost more on a vehicle that has to use more fuel to get accross the city? keeps the tree huggers happy as well. This would solve the funding problem.

I do live in Toronto and work in Toronto but on vacation i say I'm from Canada.
 
You made a very vague statement, I asked if you had any reference to your comment.

if backing up vague comments with your sources is zx600 posting natzism , then my apologies. Keep on talking out of your *** then.

Someone early on asked me to back my statements on what ford has done, I did with a comprehensive post.

I would still like to know why you said the next imminent garbage strike will be worse, I found it an interesting point and would like to know what makes you think that.

see I have said it many times, we can be friends and not agree on something, you in the other hand, get pissy and trow comments like the one I quoted just because I don't agree with you, you also see it as me insulting you or challenging you, so you may not want to get involved in the conversation next time.

Hunny, I'm not the one that got pissy. I agree that friends don't have to agree on everything it would be a boring world if everyone had the same thoughts and feelings about everything. As a friend of mine, you should know that if I say text me it means I can't talk about it on here. All I could say on here is what I said. I was simply saying that I was willing to give you the info you were curious about but not GTAM. Not sure why you responded they way you did when I made that simple request.

Oh and for your information it's not a garbage strike...but that is the only thing that people notice in this City cause it's the only thing that effects them immediately.

PS I didn't even know we weren't agreeing or seeing eye to eye on something....You asked for info that I couldn't not put here and told you how to obtain it.
 
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Rob ford should have the TTC start charging customers for exactly how far they go on the TTC. It costs more to drive accross he city so why shouldn't it cost more on a vehicle that has to use more fuel to get accross the city? keeps the tree huggers happy as well. This would solve the funding problem.

I do live in Toronto and work in Toronto but on vacation i say I'm from Canada.


It's coming.
Smart transit cards.
It will hurt the lower income riders
 
Rob ford should have the TTC start charging customers for exactly how far they go on the TTC. It costs more to drive accross he city so why shouldn't it cost more on a vehicle that has to use more fuel to get accross the city? keeps the tree huggers happy as well. This would solve the funding problem.

I do live in Toronto and work in Toronto but on vacation i say I'm from Canada.

That would be great, that is how they have it in Greece....prob not a good idea to use them as an example lol
 
under Miller's reign I walked into the MTO to buy 2-year stickers for 3 cars and the bike....and the bill was $840....$390 of that went to Miller.....2 of the cars and the bike do crazy low annual mileage....less than the daily driver combined....so it wasn't peanuts and felt like I was being robbed especially since I live a short jog south of Steeles Ave

Miller would say that's the price to pay to live in a world-class city....OK fine....but in his world-class city where I was paying premiums I got screwed by the TTC walking out twice....and had to deliver my own garbage for nearly and entire summer

did ya go for a nice stroll through our beautiful parks during the garbage strike? because that's what 7 years under Miller's philosophies ultimately delivered

do you think any of the CUPE folks would dare go on strike under Ford??? I say bring that kinda philosophy on for good let alone 10-15 years

my perspective comes for living in the same North York house for 14 years....and for the first 2 years we were considered our own city with our own Mayor...garbage pick up twice per week (not gift wrapped like now) and street cleaners once per week, sidewalk plowing in winter before you'd even wake up in the morning and very low property taxes.....all that is gone now.....I pay an annual premium to have my garbage picked up once every 2 weeks....my property taxes are 50% higher now then they were 14 years ago....I have to shovel my sidewalk now...and I haven't seen a street cleaner in years

so you can have your opinion on where this new culture of adminstration will lead us 10-15 years from now...and I'll have my opinion

That all went away before Miller. What happened between then and now is called fiscal downloading. Blame Chretien (who managed to keep the federal deficit under control this way), followed by Harris (who didn't get the same control of the provincial budget using the same strategy).

What Miller managed to do was to empower the city to find it's own sources of revenue so that our own budget could be balanced. He would have made the DVP a toll road if he had to, he was clear on that point even during his campaign. Luckily he found much more sensible revenue streams than that, in the LTT and the VRT. Because he was sensible and responsible that way.

Now I don't like the way unions have the power to enrich lazy idiots at my expense, and I would like to have seen Miller deal with that differently, if it was possible. I say IF, because the union thing in Ford's hands hasn't played out yet, and if we assume that they will be crippled or rid of when he's done then we may be able to judge whether there ever really was another option for Miller or not.

So far, that checklist of Ford 'accomplishments' is all just theatrics. We still have more expenses than revenue (worse than before), and now we have no vision for the city either. You see why I'm not hopeful for 10-15 years down the road.
 
The $.05 is a fee, not a tax. Every look at your receipt? You buy the bags and they are also taxed on top. Lovely isn't it?



What a farce. Miller imposed the vehicle tax because he is a devout car-hater and if he had ultimate power, he would've banned all private vehicles in Toronto and we'd all be forced to use public transit like happy little people. And his right hand man, that shyster Adam Giambrone was the head of the TTC who got rid of half the street parking on Dundas West because it supposedly interfered with his beloved streetcars. Only affect was fewer spots encouraging more illegal parking resulting in more parking ticket revenue. It was always a smoke-screen with Miller, policies masked with ulterior motives.

If he wanted to make life impossible for drivers he could have. He didn't because that would be idiotic. Everything he did was towards balancing the budget, and planning for the future.

The concept that you (we) were getting something you hadn't earned, as shown by the deficit spending, doesn't seem to enter your consciousness. It's all "I want, I want, I want" along with "This shouldn't cost me any money". But that was the past and it can only have lasted so long. I want my politicians to be living in today, and preferably not at the expense of the future.
 

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