if current and future infrastructure projects were handled with common sense where choreography is concerned then the price to repair would plummet ten fold
increasing taxes puts the band aid on the wrong wound
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I thanked the Mayor, did you??
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if current and future infrastructure projects were handled with common sense where choreography is concerned then the price to repair would plummet ten fold
increasing taxes puts the band aid on the wrong wound
I'm not arguing, to be honest I have no opinion, I was just posting some info in reference to the population of those cities with the subway maps.I didn't say density. I said population. If you want to have an argument don't change the fact base you're referring to.
NYC is one of the densest (if not THE densest population per square mile) in NA.
Mexico City might be bigger...but way more spread out.
to me the more people for square mile it made sense to have a bigger, better subway system, maybe I misunderstood your post.
I disagree. Thirty years of neglecting infrastructure, that was already on the verge of crumbling in the first place, has brought things to the point where increasing taxes to a reasonable level AND some serious austerity measures are both required.
I didn't say density. I said population. If you want to have an argument don't change the fact base you're referring to.
NYC is one of the densest (if not THE densest population per square mile) in NA.
Mexico City might be bigger...but way more spread out.
Does NYC even crack the top 100?
http://www.citymayors.com/statistics/largest-cities-density-125.html
That list doesn't make sense, Denver CO is denser than NYC? Impossible.
Did I post a bad link from my phone? NYC should be 114, Denver 125. Oh and Toronto comes in at number 97.
Population of Athens: 655,780
Athens Transit System:
With a train to the Airport.
I know Athens is probably not the best example to use due to the current state Greece is in, but seriously how does Athens have a way better transit system than Toronto??? There are so many stops that you barely have to get on a bus. The best part is you pay for the distance you go and even if you travel the furthest possible distance it's cheaper than what we pay for one ticket.
Athens Transit System:
With a train to the Airport.
I know Athens is probably not the best example to use due to the current state Greece is in, but seriously how does Athens have a way better transit system than Toronto??? There are so many stops that you barely have to get on a bus. The best part is you pay for the distance you go and even if you travel the furthest possible distance it's cheaper than what we pay for one ticket.
I know I would have no problem paying more property tax if it was saw tangible results.
How much behind is Toronto? I know I pay less than my friends in the suburbs but my house is half the size. I would be interested to see what property taxes/density of Toronto compared to the suburbs. I know for about 4 houses in some of the suburbs it equals about 6-8 houses in downtown Toronto in square feet.
The bigger problem is not just property tax but that Toronto sends out so much more money in taxes then we receive in services. Toronto is like a department in the company which is (was) so profitable that it floated other departments. The only issue is that if the 'cash cow' isn't maintained then it all goes down with it.
I think that property tax myth set sail decades ago.
Sure in the '60s they were afraid of making elderly widows homeless, but today we have MVA same as everyone else.
My house seems to be being constantly reassessed upwards. Does yours?
We do however subsidize the commuters who travel into the city to work somewhat.
Maybe that is why the myth gets pushed. To assuage their feelings of guilt for taking advantage of us.
Sure in the '60s they were afraid of making elderly widows homeless, but today we have MVA same as everyone else.
My house seems to be being constantly reassessed upwards. Does yours?
We do however subsidize the commuters who travel into the city to work somewhat.
Maybe that is why the myth gets pushed. To assuage their feelings of guilt for taking advantage of us.
You can thank the olympics for that system. If Toronto ever got the summer games, you'd see our system overhauled.Population of Athens: 655,780
Athens Transit System:
With a train to the Airport.
I know Athens is probably not the best example to use due to the current state Greece is in, but seriously how does Athens have a way better transit system than Toronto??? There are so many stops that you barely have to get on a bus. The best part is you pay for the distance you go and even if you travel the furthest possible distance it's cheaper than what we pay for one ticket.
True...
i agree with you, but who is going to win election on that platform?
increase taxes = pay more
austerity measures = get less
never going to happen
Oh, it'll happen all right. Right after the whole city has gone well and truly down the bowl.
Are you talking about Mr. & Mrs. Sauga? They're in for a rude awakening like we got in Toronto.
Mississauga is very likely the only major city, in this country, that doesn't have a debt. Seems to me that Toronto could learn something from that.
Wait, you're telling me that their credit rating is so bad that they can't raise some debt?
Nothing positive can be learned from that.
All functioning cities issue debt.
Anyway, I believe we've had the property tax discussion before. How often does your area get reassessed for market value?
Quite the opposite; they've consciously made a decision to operate without debt. You know, only spend as much money as you've got coming in. What a concept!
It's hardly a myth. Taxes were effectively frozen, for a couple of decades, and have failed to rise to a level supported by the current value of the property since then. Successive civic governments refused to bite the bullet while simultaneously raising debt, and failing to replace aging infrastructure. That combination has buried Toronto.
Even a one time tax increase of 10%, of the current rates, would go a long way toward setting things right.
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i really hope you're wrong. the fact that toronto has a residential core is one of the things i like the most about toronto. if it deteriorates like you suggest, then we'll see an empty downtown after 6pm and urban decay, like a detroit or washington. that would be terribly sad.
For what it's worth...
I suppose the property taxes as a percentage are flat, but because of the boom in real estate in the city, assessments are going through the roof, and they are generating more revenue that way. My property was reassessed, and my taxes went up 20% in 3 years.
But one would have to believe MPAC is not getting to every house in Toronto in a year. A blanket increase in taxes would achieve financial goals much quicker.
I'm sorry to hear about your situations, but if Toronto truly wants to be a world class city it needs to pay world class taxes.
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