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How to keep young people from turning to ISIS?

sonnythebull said:
because many agree with ISIS and silently support them. That's the problem.
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That is fricken scary!
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

This is from the referenced article:

"In fact, much of what the group does looks nonsensical except in light of a sincere, carefully considered commitment to returning civilization to a seventh-century legal environment, and ultimately to bringing about the apocalypse."
and...

"In September, Sheikh Abu Muhammad al-Adnani, the Islamic State’s chief spokesman, called on Muslims in Western countries such as France and Canada to find an infidel and “smash his head with a rock,” poison him, run him over with a car, or “destroy his crops.” To Western ears, the biblical-sounding punishments—the stoning and crop destruction—juxtaposed strangely with his more modern-sounding call to vehicular homicide. (As if to show that he could terrorize by imagery alone, Adnani also referred to Secretary of State John Kerry as an “uncircumcised geezer.”)"

and...

"The reality is that the Islamic State is Islamic. Very Islamic. Yes, it has attracted psychopaths and adventure seekers, drawn largely from the disaffected populations of the Middle East and Europe. But the religion preached by its most ardent followers derives from coherent and even learned interpretations of Islam."

Not exactly a small area they control:

 
The only ones who can reasonably clean up Islam is Islam. Until they stand against the "radicals" nothing will change. Like Christianity 600 years ago they need to be dragged kicking and screaming out of the dark ages.

The only two things the west can do is full 100 year occupation until they grow-up or wall it off with a DMZ-nothing in or out--until they "sort it out." These will also work but the toll is higher.
 
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Zoodles95 said:
That is fricken scary!
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

This is from the referenced article:

"In fact, much of what the group does looks nonsensical except in light of a sincere, carefully considered commitment to returning civilization to a seventh-century legal environment, and ultimately to bringing about the apocalypse."
and...

"In September, Sheikh Abu Muhammad al-Adnani, the Islamic State’s chief spokesman, called on Muslims in Western countries such as France and Canada to find an infidel and “smash his head with a rock,” poison him, run him over with a car, or “destroy his crops.” To Western ears, the biblical-sounding punishments—the stoning and crop destruction—juxtaposed strangely with his more modern-sounding call to vehicular homicide. (As if to show that he could terrorize by imagery alone, Adnani also referred to Secretary of State John Kerry as an “uncircumcised geezer.”)"

and...

"The reality is that the Islamic State is Islamic. Very Islamic. Yes, it has attracted psychopaths and adventure seekers, drawn largely from the disaffected populations of the Middle East and Europe. But the religion preached by its most ardent followers derives from coherent and even learned interpretations of Islam."

Not exactly a small area they control:
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Fack them come get some
 
sonnythebull said:
Fack them come get some
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I think that is their plan.

From the article I linked:

"That means roughly 200 million Shia are marked for death. So too are the heads of state of every Muslim country, who have elevated man-made law above Sharia by running for office or enforcing laws not made by God."

and...

"Following takfiri doctrine, the Islamic State is committed to purifying the world by killing vast numbers of people. The lack of objective reporting from its territory makes the true extent of the slaughter unknowable, but social-media posts from the region suggest that individual executions happen more or less continually, and mass executions every few weeks. Muslim “apostates” are the most common victims. "

and...

"In Haykel’s estimation, the fighters of the Islamic State are authentic throwbacks to early Islam and are faithfully reproducing its norms of war. This behavior includes a number of practices that modern Muslims tend to prefer not to acknowledge as integral to their sacred texts. “Slavery, crucifixion, and beheadings are not something that freakish [jihadists] are cherry-picking from the medieval tradition,” Haykel said. "

They are looking to meet up with us and have the Apocalypse:

"In broad strokes, al-Qaeda acts like an underground political movement, with worldly goals in sight at all times—the expulsion of non-Muslims from the Arabian peninsula, the abolishment of the state of Israel, the end of support for dictatorships in Muslim lands. The Islamic State has its share of worldly concerns (including, in the places it controls, collecting garbage and keeping the water running), but the End of Days is a leitmotif of its propaganda."

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"After its battle in Dabiq, Cerantonio said, the caliphate will expand and sack Istanbul. Some believe it will then cover the entire Earth"

Believe me... They are not content to just stay where they are. The real acid test will be when they enter Turkey. At that point the West can no longer sit on their hands.
 
This part is really scary. No peace for these folks. They will never surrender or give up their fight:

"Choudary’s colleague Abu Baraa explained that Islamic law permits only temporary peace treaties, lasting no longer than a decade. Similarly, accepting any border is anathema, as stated by the Prophet and echoed in the Islamic State’s propaganda videos. If the caliph consents to a longer-term peace or permanent border, he will be in error. Temporary peace treaties are renewable, but may not be applied to all enemies at once: the caliph must wage jihad at least once a year. He may not rest, or he will fall into a state of sin.|"

"One comparison to the Islamic State is the Khmer Rouge, which killed about a third of the population of Cambodia. But the Khmer Rouge occupied Cambodia’s seat at the United Nations. “This is not permitted,” Abu Baraa said. “To send an ambassador to the UN is to recognize an authority other than God’s.”
 
Turkey's border with Syria and Iraq looks like 800 km long, and I suspect is rather porous and difficult to enforce. The country has reasonable ties to the EEC. I sure hope that the various governments of the West have been having good long closed-door talks with the government of Turkey about what the course of action should be WHEN ISIS crosses that border.
 
Brian P said:
Turkey's border with Syria and Iraq looks like 800 km long, and I suspect is rather porous and difficult to enforce. The country has reasonable ties to the EEC. I sure hope that the various governments of the West have been having good long closed-door talks with the government of Turkey about what the course of action should be WHEN ISIS crosses that border.
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I guess part of the problem would be what would happen when you beat them back across the border:

"And yet the risks of escalation are enormous. The biggest proponent of an American invasion is the Islamic State itself. The provocative videos, in which a black-hooded executioner addresses President Obama by name, are clearly made to draw America into the fight. An invasion would be a huge propaganda victory for jihadists worldwide: irrespective of whether they have givenbaya’a to the caliph, they all believe that the United States wants to embark on a modern-day Crusade and kill Muslims. Yet another invasion and occupation would confirm that suspicion, and bolster recruitment."
 
Brian P said:
Turkey's border with Syria and Iraq looks like 800 km long, and I suspect is rather porous and difficult to enforce. The country has reasonable ties to the EEC. I sure hope that the various governments of the West have been having good long closed-door talks with the government of Turkey about what the course of action should be WHEN ISIS crosses that border.
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Turkey is part of the problem.. it has facilitated terrorism against syria the most... plus if syria were to retaliate against turkey.. would nato step in? It wouldnt exactly be unprovoked.
 
shahfaisal said:
Turkey is part of the problem.. it has facilitated terrorism against syria the most... plus if syria were to retaliate against turkey.. would nato step in? It wouldnt exactly be unprovoked.
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NATO would definitely step in. From the start the "rebels" in Syria were using Turkey as a staging point with blatant help from Turkey and Saudi Arabia.
 
Thats just sad... I use to admire how turkey was starting take a peace makers role... erdagon has gone complete 180 degrees.. wonder what changed him
 
shahfaisal said:
Thats just sad... I use to admire how turkey was starting take a peace makers role... erdagon has gone complete 180 degrees.. wonder what changed him
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He's playing a delicate balancing act trying to appease both sides. His is a secular country with some powerful militant conservative groups.
 
shahfaisal said:
Turkey is part of the problem.. it has facilitated terrorism against syria the most... plus if syria were to retaliate against turkey.. would nato step in? It wouldnt exactly be unprovoked.
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I thought that the West and the U.S. in particular were the big problems. Now Turkey is an issue?
 
Snobike Mike said:
Not with the growth of worldwide Islam it won't be.......
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...in poor countries maybe. What you should be looking at are stats for religiosity among young people. More and more young people do not identify with a religion. Those young people today will be our leaders in 10-20 years.
 
Zoodles95 said:
I thought that the West and the U.S. in particular were the big problems. Now Turkey is an issue?
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Turkey is playing along the saudi line... its a problem for syria (geopolitics).. dont forget us has been pushibg turkey to train more "rebels" against syria.. now we know al nusra and isis were close to 80% of the so called rebels..
 
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