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How to keep young people from turning to ISIS?

griff2 said:
In the case of Iran, it goes back to 1953 and the CIA-run coup of their democratically-elected prime minister. The US and Britain seemed to not like the thought that he was demanding a better deal for Iranian oil and would nationalize their oil industry if a better deal was not to be had.

That coup led to the US-supported installation of a military dictatorship (remember the Shah of Iran) whose excesses led to the violent overthrow by the mullahs. That in turn led to the US encouraging and arming Saddam's Iraq with weapons by which to go to a long and bloody war with Iran.

You do see how that might inspire a certain degree of animosity towards the West, right? If you go back to those roots, much mischief on the part of Iran can be laid at the feet of gross Western interference with the Iranian people's right to determine their own fate. Do you really think the mad mullahs could have risen to such prominence without the chain of events driven by that coup back in the 50's?

In that sense, yes, the West can be seen as being in at least good part responsible for where we are now with Iran.
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If there is such animosity to the west why are all these muslims from multiple countries immigrating to the west???????
because they can't build a civilized society with infrastructure and social support so they want to be parasites on the one the west built and then try and turn it back into mud hut, donkey loving ,backwards 400 AD.
and the morons like jihadi john who were born into a civilized society and a succesful family prove that this religion and especially those who follow it to the letter are mostly morons
 
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sonnythebull said:
If there is such animosity to the west why are all these muslims from multiple countries immigrating to the west???????
because they can't build a civilized society with infrastructure and social support so they want to be parasites on the one the west built and then try and turn it back into mud hut, donkey loving ,backwards 400 AD.
and the morons like jihadi john who were born into a civilized society and a succesful family prove that this religion and especially those who follow it to the letter are mostly morons
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More like recollection of unpaid debt
Not to mention war reparations at national level. Compensation for damages at an individual level... also return of stolen wealth
 
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shahfaisal said:
More like recollection of unpaid debt
Not to mention war reparations at national level. Compensation for damages at an individual level... also return of stolen wealth
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More like when you are too stupid and useless to do it yourself you mooch off those who have done it and then once you are warm and comfortable you remember the good old days and good old country ( incorrectly and wrong) and think you know better. The classic way stupid people act who believe they know better
 
Oh, using certain types of logic, could make a link between concentration camps and bringing the US economy to the brink of collapse 2008. People play to type.
 
griff2 said:
The KKK used the Bible to justify segregation and attacks on blacks, Catholics and Jews. They still hold the same beliefs today. If you were to judge Christianity by the acts and words of the KKK, you would have to deem Christianity to be a violent and hateful religion.
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They don't yell out Jesus' name as they lynched someone.

They're not all over the news now
 
shahfaisal said:
Sorry still dont get the reference.. never heard it before.. o well thanks for trying
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Everybody's a victim somewhere along the line. Revenge of the Nerds.
 
shahfaisal said:
Visiting where?... I try to ignore him unless I am in a mood to play a bit
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It's like a great big circle jerk. You guys are never gonna come to an agreement, someone is gonna get butthurt.

"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one."
 
I see Shahfaisal's point about American interventionism and foreign policy causing distrust and outright rage in the middle east.

How to explain the allure of ISIS to a newly converted Muslim?

Interesting article here:

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

Also, I really do not understand why modern women raised in the West would want to go and join ISIS? They are truly in the middle ages with respect to women's rights etc.
 
Zoodles95 said:
I see Shahfaisal's point about American interventionism and foreign policy causing distrust and outright rage in the middle east.

How to explain the allure of ISIS to a newly converted Muslim?

Interesting article here:

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

Also, I really do not understand why modern women raised in the West would want to go and join ISIS? They are truly in the middle ages with respect to women's rights etc.
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This is not a problem of mistrust. There is no level of acceptability that is justified for the actions radical muslims have and continue to take.

And Islam was around long before the "west".
 
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ISIS for whatever reason seems to be something some Muslims want to join to bring in a new golden age of Islam etc. However, why are not other Muslims feeling the call to go there to fight against ISIS?

If there is really only one Islam and has been stated a few times in these threads then where are the Muslims to go and fight against ISIS to help out their Brothers and Sisters who are being butchered and brutalized by ISIS?

I am a middle age guy who would get his *** handed to him in a heartbeat in any sort of firefight. In my life I have never been so fired up and frustrated as I am with this entire ISIS situation. I am astonished with how they are executing Gays, beheading Christians etc. We are all standing around being isolationist with our thumbs up our ***** while genocide etc is happening over there with impunity. ISIS/ISIL is truly a state now in everything but name. They have enough land and resources and a common goal. The world stood around and tried to appease Hitler and the Nazis and by the time they took action it was really too late and it took years and millions of lives to rid the world of the NAZIs. If ISIS is allowed to continue unhindered who knows where this will end? Is it going to take them going into Turkey to get Europe really on board? If they executed some Russians I imagine that Putin would use that as a good excuse to exercise some power and take his Citizen's minds off of the stench of Oligarchy that presently permeates the Kremlin.

The B.S. war against Iraq was painted with weapons of mass destruction but they also used human rights abuses as a secondary justification. If ISIS is not a concern for the world I don't know what is. If they are not an example of a regime with human rights abuses I don't know what is. As we continue to tiptoe atrocities are continuing unchecked. Why is the West and the UN not doing more? Why is the international Muslim community not doing more?

Why is ISIS a Siren call for Muslims and yet Muslims do not seem to be drawn to the area to fight these monsters? WTF?!
 
Zoodles95 said:
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ISIS for whatever reason seems to be something some Muslims want to join to bring in a new golden age of Islam etc. However, why are not other Muslims feeling the call to go there to fight against ISIS?

If there is really only one Islam and has been stated a few times in these threads then where are the Muslims to go and fight against ISIS to help out their Brothers and Sisters who are being butchered and brutalized by ISIS?

I am a middle age guy who would get his *** handed to him in a heartbeat in any sort of firefight. In my life I have never been so fired up and frustrated as I am with this entire ISIS situation. I am astonished with how they are executing Gays, beheading Christians etc. We are all standing around being isolationist with our thumbs up our ***** while genocide etc is happening over there with impunity. ISIS/ISIL is truly a state now in everything but name. They have enough land and resources and a common goal. The world stood around and tried to appease Hitler and the Nazis and by the time they took action it was really too late and it took years and millions of lives to rid the world of the NAZIs. If ISIS is allowed to continue unhindered who knows where this will end? Is it going to take them going into Turkey to get Europe really on board? If they executed some Russians I imagine that Putin would use that as a good excuse to exercise some power and take his Citizen's minds off of the stench of Oligarchy that presently permeates the Kremlin.

The B.S. war against Iraq was painted with weapons of mass destruction but they also used human rights abuses as a secondary justification. If ISIS is not a concern for the world I don't know what is. If they are not an example of a regime with human rights abuses I don't know what is. As we continue to tiptoe atrocities are continuing unchecked. Why is the West and the UN not doing more? Why is the international Muslim community not doing more?

Why is ISIS a Siren call for Muslims and yet Muslims do not seem to be drawn to the area to fight these monsters? WTF?!
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because many agree with ISIS and silently support them. That's the problem.
 
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