That is my point... It applies to a majority of the immigrants that come here.
How to get M1 license without knowing any English?!?
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That is my point... It applies to a majority of the immigrants that come here.
This is strange.. .99% of my friends are immigrants and the language barrier was an issue for maybe 5% of them, 95% had their priorities right.
Anyhow, there are only 50 phrases and 200 words that need to be memorized to be able to talk/work/ask/answer/write m1 test/buy beer/food/service/watch TV/etc
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And how old are your friends? Did they already have relatives here? Or were they the first.
Easy to say, i'll give you a reward if you can start a basic convo in Chinese with me and keep it going. There aren't that many words to learn either.
16 - 55.
I know what you are trying to say. It IS harder for older folks to learn a new language, however I've never seen a person who couldn't do it within a reasonable amount of time unless this person was lazy.
I never said my dad doesn't know any English :\. For the fourth? Fifth? time.. i'll say it again. He can keep a basic conversation going -_-''
Anyways this topic is dead.
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We are not talking about Chinese. We are talking about basic English. These languages are not even comparable. Just out of pure interest, try to count how many words/phrases is used by an immigrant in average conversation. You will amazed.
I have never mentioned that either. If he can keep a basic conversation, then what's wrong with learning those odd 20 motorcycle-related words that he will encounter on the test.
Alright, I read the whole thread. Three comments
1) Nobody actually responded to the threads original appeal for a little bit of help. The first post wasn't "They should make it in all languages, this sucks, screw Canada." The most important line was "Can anyone Help" [Read, is anyone here a certified translator who might be able to give a price break to a fellow rider.]
2) The argument that you may not have time to learn the local language. Thats fine and understandable. Many new immigrants are working double or triple shifts to set themselves up well for the future. But - and this is addressed to Sushii, not to his father, or any other immigrants - But when making the decision to immigrate to a new land, all of the important details are considerations, including language. Your parents were comfortable with the language barrier and chose to come here anyways, and good on them. However it cannot be expected that the government will be adapting all of their material to accommodate new immigrants. I suspect that most immigrants themselves understand this, it is usually the children of these people who did not actively make the decision to move and consider the difficulties who cannot comprehend a system which may not be more accessible.
3) Sushii others on here are right. With the largest minority population in Canada only equaling 1.5million people of the 35+ million total population. There is no obligation (nor legal jurisdiction) for The city of Toronto to offer more language support than the rest of Canada.
4) I find it hilarious that Paul threw down with an IBTL...Well played Paul.
1) Nobody actually responded to the threads original appeal for a little bit of help. The first post wasn't "They should make it in all languages, this sucks, screw Canada." The most important line was "Can anyone Help" [Read, is anyone here a certified translator who might be able to give a price break to a fellow rider.]
2) The argument that you may not have time to learn the local language. Thats fine and understandable. Many new immigrants are working double or triple shifts to set themselves up well for the future. But - and this is addressed to Sushii, not to his father, or any other immigrants - But when making the decision to immigrate to a new land, all of the important details are considerations, including language. Your parents were comfortable with the language barrier and chose to come here anyways, and good on them. However it cannot be expected that the government will be adapting all of their material to accommodate new immigrants. I suspect that most immigrants themselves understand this, it is usually the children of these people who did not actively make the decision to move and consider the difficulties who cannot comprehend a system which may not be more accessible.
3) Sushii others on here are right. With the largest minority population in Canada only equaling 1.5million people of the 35+ million total population. There is no obligation (nor legal jurisdiction) for The city of Toronto to offer more language support than the rest of Canada.
4) I find it hilarious that Paul threw down with an IBTL...Well played Paul.
My 2 cents
1. A translator is the only alternative at the moment. It sucks that it's a $100 bullet, but you really have no other choice. Judging by the OPs posts, he understands this.
2. I'm guessing the reason why the M1 is only available in english/french, and not likely to change is simply politics and economics. There is not enough public demand for it, and the cost to administer it is huge. The reason why the G1 is available in multiple languages is because of those same factors - politics and economics. There are enough people that want multiligual G1 tests because there are enough people that want it (with enough voting power behind them), and the economics are such that people use cars more for living than they do bikes, where the bikes are more seen as recreational vehicles. Even the G1 test availability is not altruistic either - how many languages are offered? and why are only those languages offered? etc.
3. Personally, as a taxpayer, I would not want to pay for the administration of having the M1 test in multiple languages for the reasons outlined in #2. It'd be wasteful spending.
1. A translator is the only alternative at the moment. It sucks that it's a $100 bullet, but you really have no other choice. Judging by the OPs posts, he understands this.
2. I'm guessing the reason why the M1 is only available in english/french, and not likely to change is simply politics and economics. There is not enough public demand for it, and the cost to administer it is huge. The reason why the G1 is available in multiple languages is because of those same factors - politics and economics. There are enough people that want multiligual G1 tests because there are enough people that want it (with enough voting power behind them), and the economics are such that people use cars more for living than they do bikes, where the bikes are more seen as recreational vehicles. Even the G1 test availability is not altruistic either - how many languages are offered? and why are only those languages offered? etc.
3. Personally, as a taxpayer, I would not want to pay for the administration of having the M1 test in multiple languages for the reasons outlined in #2. It'd be wasteful spending.
No time to learn the official language of the region he lives in? He may not be able to attend daily courses and conversation groups, but no matter how much you work, you can show up a couple of times a week and pick it up. If you can't, you have to work more to afford translator services. Any way you look at it, he'll have to pay. Learning the language will cost less in the long run.
Knowledge of the official languages is especially important for living in Canada as we do not really comply with the international standards on road signs. Many new immigrants complain about being distracted by having to read novels on the side of the road instead of focussing on safe driving. Another reason why your dad should pick up the basics before going for the test.
Knowledge of the official languages is especially important for living in Canada as we do not really comply with the international standards on road signs. Many new immigrants complain about being distracted by having to read novels on the side of the road instead of focussing on safe driving. Another reason why your dad should pick up the basics before going for the test.
Thanks for understanding. I appreciate the neutral respect. I've told my dad the options (Do it in english or get translator).
P.S What does IBTL stand for? (In Before The Locks?) If so what does that mean...
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Jlin
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it means in before thread lock.
invictus43
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It means they think the thread is going to be locked by the mods as it slides down the slope into racist/insulting/stupid oblivion!! :lol:
Not a lot of options here and there really is no way out of this. You or your dad can spend the money for a certified translator or he can take English courses to save him the $100 (or whatever it is).
I agree with some of the posters here. English is the national language and regardless of any excuse you have, it should be a priority to learn. Not having time is an excuse to justify not learning it. How about encouraging your dad to invest the time this year to learn the language instead of wasting time trying to figure out a way to get him to start riding? I'm sure that the amount of time spent on riding can be well invested in learning some English.
Not really...
You should probably look at this whole scenario from a long term perspective. First of all the M2 course is delivered in English therefore your dad woud probably need to know some form of English. Second, what happens when it's time to take the M2 exit to get his M? That again requires comprehension of the english lanuage as the test instructions are delivered to the rider in english.
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If you're going to ride in a Canadian vehicular environment that uses English as it's primary communication tool, then that's the way it is and should be.
If you cannot do the test, then you cannot ride. Plain and simple.
I'd feel even more uncomfortable than I already am knowing someone's driving out there who cannot read the signs and directions posted on the street.
If you cannot do the test, then you cannot ride. Plain and simple.
I'd feel even more uncomfortable than I already am knowing someone's driving out there who cannot read the signs and directions posted on the street.
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