Hiring Immigrants instead of " our own people "

[Dr.Manhattan]

I have been here since 1995, I became a Canadian citizen, am I more Canadian than a kid that was born in Canada in 1996? he'll I have paid way more taxes than he has, should I have more rights than him, should he have more rights than me because I wasn't born here?

The only good thing about threads like this is to see who the racist biggots are in this forum.

This has nothing to do with racism, it's about the government giving handouts to immigrants instead of giving there own citizens some type of incentive for being here from birth. My bank did the same thing last year, Toronto Dominion, they were giving out iPod's to anyone that switched over to TD and made a chequing account. What about me ?, I've been with you guys for 15 plus years ?, that's not right at all !. I ended up talking to a teller, and then a manager and got a free iPod. However if you are going to make a statement like that, be prepared to give handouts to all your loyal members, not just the newcomers.

 

[TimC]

interesting debate

imo....if the province wasn't up to it's eyeballs in debt with record unemployment then offering a nice gesture to skilled new immigrants would be water off a duck's back, even if it reads a bit generous

problem is we're tapped, we're spending way more than we're taking in and what we're taking in is already putting folks on the brink.....we've got local grads coming into the skilled workforce who don't need more competition....cause they want the gig (likely desperate for it) and there's a big line....and if they're just as qualified and could get passed over because of this incentive then it is not cool

we need to live within our means and McGuinty proves time and again that he lives in dreamland

the fact that the Liberal party felt this nugget was worthy of keeping in their platform considering the current climate defies logic

the Libs are now accusing the PCs of being TeaParty Racists because they're opposing it....lmao

pass me the tea

 

[bigguy1]

IF you haven't actually worked with foreign-trained professionals, please sit your dumb, ignorant *** out of this conversation. You are all embarassing yourself.

1) If they didn't know they'd be driving taxi cabs for a few years first, they're not smart enough to be doctors!

-you don't know very many Canadian doctors or Canadian medical students, do you? Sure, some of them are good. Some of them are downright impressive. Some of them are "... your mother still decides what kind of haircut you're allowed to have?"

2) They should all pay their dues!

-Hi! I am offering a valuable, potentially life-saving service. I can help reduce ER weight times. I can help your grandmother get surgery faster, instead of having her wait around while you ***** about how our health care system is ****ed up and how you have to send her to the States for surgery. I can work in a walk-in clinic and give you some useful advice instead of having you wait around for an extra hour because there's not as many docs working. Oh, what's that? You say, as a moral imperative, I should be driving a taxicab to pay my dues to society instead of helping sick people get better? Even though I've probably paid my dues in another part of the world in ways that you would be patently unwilling to do? Foolproof logic you have there, Einstein.

3) They're not as good as our good old Canadian grads!

-I hate to disappoint you, but the status of university education, and indeed the English language, is quite high throughout the world. While many parts of the world are poor, there are still obscenely rich people within them, and it's those people who have the privelege of going to university. So even poor countries can have high quality schools. India is perhaps a prototypical example of this. It is a multiethnic, multiconfessional democracy where English is the lingua franca.

I, for one, have worked with multiple foreign-trained professionals. Every single one of you sound like 10 year olds talking about sex: you have strong opinions, but you really don't know what the hell you're talking about. The system is messed up. A Canadian-born, UK-trained friend of mine has to go through a lengthy and expensive studentship and testing process just to be able to write the same qualifying exams that I did. A colleague of mine was a professor in a professional faculty in the UK and they tried to get her to go through the same process, and she had to fight just to be able to not do that.

The fact that there are qualified professionals driving taxicabs is a disgrace. Do you think our health care system needs improvement? Do you think there's a shortage of family doctors / nurses / dentists / etc.? And they're even coming into Canada, qualified to practice, without having drained our tax dollars from subsidizing the cost of their elementary school, high school, university, and professional training. Win ****ing win. True, not all of them are competent to practice; to be blunt, so are a number of Canadian-born, Canadian-trained professionals. Maybe, just maybe, there should be high-quality testing available for them before we let them immigrate?

Oh, but nooooo, they have to "pay their dues", and they should be smarter than to think that they'd be able to get a job doing something other than driving taxi cabs, and they're probably not that smart and not that qualified anyways, and I don't want no Makaka fixing my broken knee!

I can't speak for the medical field but I do happen to work with a lot of foreign-trained professionals (veterinarians) who have recently come to Canada. The reason they end up "driving cabs" or any other choice of crappy job is that they have to prove they are up to our standards. This is done by passing exams based on what they have studied.
I work with many veterinarians from India and Pakistan. Most failed the exam their first time, others failed it several times. There is a minimum time to wait before writing again thus they need to find alternate employment. Some of these vets are very educated and very good at what they do. Some, I would not let near any animal I had.

The governement does active recruiting overseas for these types of professionals. They explain what must be done and completed before being able to be hired. Some just can't pass the test. These are the same ones who ***** that they are a doctor and drive a cab.

The reason we can't get Canadian educated individuals. At least in my industry is money. The starting salary for a veterinarian is approx 65K Most kids out of University want way more than this. Especially given for the type of work expected of them. So they go into private practice where the sky's the limit.

 

[RetroGrouch]

Seeing as how bad all those professionals are at driving cabs, why should I trust them with with my life in the operating room?

 

[TimC]

This has nothing to do with racism, it's about the government giving handouts to immigrants instead of giving there own citizens some type of incentive for being here from birth. My bank did the same thing last year, Toronto Dominion, they were giving out iPod's to anyone that switched over to TD and made a chequing account. What about me ?, I've been with you guys for 15 plus years ?, that's not right at all !. I ended up talking to a teller, and then a manager and got a free iPod. However if you are going to make a statement like that, be prepared to give handouts to all your loyal members, not just the newcomers.

bingo.....

and the problem is we don't have the bucks to give away free iPods anyway

 

[ZX600]

This has nothing to do with racism, it's about the government giving handouts to immigrants instead of giving there own citizens some type of incentive for being here from birth. My bank did the same thing last year, Toronto Dominion, they were giving out iPod's to anyone that switched over to TD and made a chequing account. What about me ?, I've been with you guys for 15 plus years ?, that's not right at all !. I ended up talking to a teller, and then a manager and got a free iPod. However if you are going to make a statement like that, be prepared to give handouts to all your loyal members, not just the newcomers.

if you and I have been in this country for same amount of years, we have both paid taxes, volunteer at a hospital, helped the old lady cross the street and we are now both Canadian citizens, why do you feel you have more rights than me because you were born here and I wasnt?

I don't agree with handouts that privileges one group over others, however as per my own experience I can tell you that immigrating to another country is one of the most difficult things anyone will ever do, and it is more difficult for a 5 year immigrant to find a job than any Canadian born person, way harder, if you look ethnic or if you have an accent like in my case (ladies wink wink) good freaking luck, even if you are as or more qualified than the white kid with blue eyes and perfect Canadian accent. So I don't agree but I can see why that law was put in place.

 

[Flashmonkey]

Seeing as how bad all those professionals are at driving cabs, why should I trust them with with my life in the operating room?

LOL i love how this keeps coming up. Cabbies arent the only crappy drivers out there. And if you knew how cynical and jaded a lot of doctors actually are, then you would probably be asking that same question far more often.

 

[ZX600]

Seeing as how bad all those professionals are at driving cabs, why should I trust them with with my life in the operating room?

this is got to be the dumbest argument I have ever heard.

Since you can not even do a simple task like putting gas on your bike so you don't run out of gas like you did on Tuesday night, why should I trust you can perform your job?...whatever that job is, please answer me that.

 

[RetroGrouch]

Since you can not even do a simple task like putting gas on your bike so you don't run out of gas like you did on Tuesday night, why should I trust you can perform your job?...whatever that job is, please answer me that.

Well if you perform your job as badly as your ability to write an analogy, I wouldn't trust your work either.

 

[Myztyk]

My Canadian born doctor is a terrible driver. Maybe it's a problem with doctors lacking driving skills.

Should I start a new thread for this?

 

[ZX600]

Well if you perform your job as badly as your ability to write an analogy, I wouldn't trust your work either.

I am not stupid to think my ability to write an analogy has anything to do with my ability to perform my Job, unless my job was to write analogies...which isn't

My mothers Canadian Born doctor almost killed her with a spine infection, I guess he should go to India and brush up on his skills then come back and get certified, he will be driving a taxi after the law suit. Same for the Canadian born doctor that sent my best friends dad home 3 times when he was complaining from a headache only to die a day later from an embolism, great Canadian standards we have.

 

[killerkeith]

if you and I have been in this country for same amount of years, we have both paid taxes, volunteer at a hospital, helped the old lady cross the street and we are now both Canadian citizens, why do you feel you have more rights than me because you were born here and I wasnt?

I don't agree with handouts that privileges one group over others, however as per my own experience I can tell you that immigrating to another country is one of the most difficult things anyone will ever do, and it is more difficult for a 5 year immigrant to find a job than any Canadian born person, way harder, if you look ethnic or if you have an accent like in my case (ladies wink wink) good freaking luck, even if you are as or more qualified than the white kid with blue eyes and perfect Canadian accent. So I don't agree but I can see why that law was put in place.

First off I want to apologize on behalf of Canada that you didn't get your official hug at the border and again at your swearing in ceremony. When my parents arrived in 1967 they missed out on that one too and again when they became citizens. Second, you might not want to unload that massive chip on your shoulder during job interviews. It kind of turns white people off no matter who you are. Third, I can't help you feel "Canadian". You're either in this thing 100% or you can pine for the old country so you can complain about the raw deal your getting here. You can't have it both ways. Still unhappy? Start your own business, get rich and hire anyone you want.

 

[ZX600]

First off I want to apologize on behalf of Canada that you didn't get your official hug at the border and again at your swearing in ceremony. When my parents arrived in 1967 they missed out on that one too and again when they became citizens. Second, you might not want to unload that massive chip on your shoulder during job interviews. It kind of turns white people off no matter who you are. Third, I can't help you feel "Canadian". You're either in this thing 100% or you can pine for the old country so you can complain about the raw deal your getting here. You can't have it both ways. Still unhappy? Start your own business, get rich and hire anyone you want.

Where did I ask for an apology from Canada? Please quote

I don't need to go to job interviews, I have a very good job. My first job was helping an old man, then I worked as an usher, then became assistant manager, then became a general manager, then got some additional education from my university degree I acquired before I came to canada and became a consultant, I don't get where my chip in the shoulder is?

by the way I'm also white.

Can you also quote where I said I got a raw deal? I said it is harder for someone with an accent or non Canadian complexion to get a job, that is generally a fact, I lived through it.

You my friend just went on emotions, I would recommend you read properly before you answer and think before you write.

 

[killerkeith]

Where did I ask for an apology fromCanada? Please quote

You didn't, I just offered one anyway. You've had such a hard life here and Canadians are nice.

I don't need to go to job interviews, I have a very good job. My first job washelping an old man, then I worked as an usher, then became assistant manager,then became a general manager, then got some additional education from myuniversity degree I acquired before I came to canada and became a consultant, Idon't get where my chip in the shoulder is?

Most people that have chips on shoulders need it pointed out for them, like yourself. I have a chip too. See, we already have something in common.

by the way I'm also white.

And you still had it tough here? That chip must be HUGE!

Can you also quote where I said I got a raw deal?

Right here: however as per my own experience I can tell you that immigrating to another country is one of the most difficult things anyone will ever do, and it is more difficult for a 5 year immigrant to find a job than any Canadian born person...

I'm sorry but my parents just never seemed to have it as hard as you. In fact they are grateful for the opportunities they received here and speak highly of a country that gave them so much. Maybe that comes with old age. You sir, do not speak this way.

 

[ZX600]

You didn't, I just offered one anyway. You've had such a hard life here and Canadians are nice.


Most people that have chips on shoulders need it pointed out for them, like yourself. I have a chip too. See, we already have something in common.


And you still had it tough here? That chip must be HUGE!

WTF are you talking about?

it is hard because you don't speak the language but somehow have to work.
It is hard because you miss your friends and family.
it is hard because you don't know the culture and you feel alienated , alone and look at that return ticket every week for the first few years.
It is hard just for the nature of the task, never said I got a raw deal

however I chose to do it so I dealt with the consequences and came through.

I probably appreciate Canada as equally or more than Canadians born here because I know the differences, lived the good and bad of other countries and have life experiences that allow me to make a proper comparison unlike people that only see the stereotypes on tv.

You are not very intelligent imo so I wont really continue expressing my opinion so you can come again putting words in my mouth I never said.

I appreciate this country by working my *** off and contribute to the economy, not by coming in this forum and talking **** about immigrants and make unfounded statements just to try and make a point.
You should probably spend more time talking with your parents and asking them about their experiences their first few years and maybe you will understand what I am talking about.

if you were in the states you would make a good republican

 

[CruisnGrrl]

The only good thing about threads like this is to see who the racist biggots are in this forum.

free yetti!

 

[FullMotoJacket]

WTF are you talking about?

it is hard because you don't speak the language but somehow have to work.
It is hard because you miss your friends and family.
it is hard because you don't know the culture and you feel alienated , alone and look at that return ticket every week for the first few years.
It is hard just for the nature of the task, never said I got a raw deal

however I chose to do it so I dealt with the consequences and came through.

I probably appreciate Canada as equally or more than Canadians born here because I know the differences, lived the good and bad of other countries and have life experiences that allow me to make a proper comparison unlike people that only see the stereotypes on tv.

You are not very intelligent imo so I wont really continue expressing my opinion so you can come again putting words in my mouth I never said.

I appreciate this country by working my *** off and contribute to the economy, not by coming in this forum and talking **** about immigrants and make unfounded statements just to try and make a point.
You should probably spend more time talking with your parents and asking them about their experiences their first few years and maybe you will understand what I am talking about.

if you were in the states you would make a good republican

I don't have a chip on my shoulder.......and here's another 6 paragraphs of beotching to prove it.

 

[Gnu]

1. This makes zero sense whatsoever. It's a FACT that medical universities in India are more advanced than they are here in Canada. How does one "forge a document" to disprove this? You're confused about what I said. Please reread it.

Where did you find this FACT? Every search I've done never list any of India's universities in the top 50.

 

[FiReSTaRT]

Where did you find this FACT? Every search I've done never list any of India's universities in the top 50.

Just because they're not in the top 50 or top 100 doesn't mean that they're not far better than ours.

 

[nobbie48]

or he wasn't very good? Not to mention he wasn't legally an engineer if wasn't a licensed engineer with the PEO?

I never worked with him but this was 30 years ago and chief engineers often preferred subordinates who were from the same school. That way they didn't ruffle feathers with new ideas. They also knew the schools track record, good or bad. With a foreign school the CE would have to make a decision that didn't involve a slide rule. No graduate of U of T has ever made a mistake apparently, so clients are led to believe.