When you do this^^it makes me wonder why I ever respected you. Do my posts come across like I'm trying to hurt you?
Ghomeshigate
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When you do this^^it makes me wonder why I ever respected you. Do my posts come across like I'm trying to hurt you?
Lets assume all the allegations are true, if the poor fragile woman didn't want to come forward why didn't her husband support her and encourage her to come forward? Her fragile feelings aside, if these allegations are actually true, her silence meant 8 other women went through a rape as well...
Kinda selfish no?
Don't flame me, just thinking out loud...
A breath of fresh air or febreze either way high five.
What changed is that the story came out anyways, and she had something important to contribute to the story in defense of the other women who were claiming assault/rape. She no longer has anything to lose or gain other than seeking justice. That wasn't true when she was assaulted.
How so?
Perhaps he did and she refused anyways. Perhaps because she would have been eviscerated in court as she said herself, which wouldn't have prevented any future occurrence of rape. Perhaps she felt she could do more by simply warning others in the industry to stay away. There is a code amongst women that they watch out for each other on topics like this. They wouldn't let their worst enemy get involved without warning.
In the balance of things, she probably felt that was the best she could do. It's for her to decide, right or wrong. No one else.
She's has an established life in another province (I think) with a family and career that won't likely be unsettled by making these allegations now. She's not seeking any financial or career benefit, she's just trying to demonstrate a pattern in defense of the other victims. None of that was true at the time.
Give me another interpretation of your question that isn't answered in the form of complete dishonesty from the alleged victims and turning their husbands into accomplices.
Sativa Quemador
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this is a fantastic thread btw.
lets not ruin it.
the problem here, is that from the legal standpoint of CBC, THEY deemed him being violent to women, punching hitting whatever.. you want to call his fettish of BDSM
as the femmefatal chick pointed out, that consent doesnt even matter in the eys of the law. abuse is abuse.
She said that even if 2 partner are ok with it, the law aint. and Thats what wrong.
I like to think i have common sense.
Common sense says if you are being smacked around and you arent happy about it, you should leave.
if they stop you from leaving, you fight.
now, no matter what the choice you make you eventually run to the cops or call 911.
you dont mull around for a few months/years/decades.
Even this Slut Shame that Femmefatal talks about comes into play,, maybe they were ashamed to go to police but i really dont think so.. These ladies arent feeble weak little women. they are strong willed successfull women . not the type you'd expect to let their attacker roam free.
you really think 9 of those ladies ALL were too afraid/embarrassed/whatever reason to report it ?
forget all that
dont you think they would have told someone, anyone, the very next day.
Ive seen how women react to a touch after a rape or assault.
Im pretty sure any one of their husbands/boyfreinds would notice an immediate problem
and a severe beating would have taken place on JG asap.
maybe I am wrong ?
I think every woman went to see JG on their own freewill, they did what they did, and im thinking maybe they found out it wasnt for them ( BDSM ) and maybe regret their poor descison
like it or not, there are men and women that enjoy this for some reason. some people pay. lol
its kept indoors secret not advertised. they arent looking for publicity.
I have no idea why all these women are popping out with their stories now.
selling stories to papers ? i dont know. i dont think like a lady that enjoys being hit/abused/humiliated....etc
lets not ruin it.
the problem here, is that from the legal standpoint of CBC, THEY deemed him being violent to women, punching hitting whatever.. you want to call his fettish of BDSM
as the femmefatal chick pointed out, that consent doesnt even matter in the eys of the law. abuse is abuse.
She said that even if 2 partner are ok with it, the law aint. and Thats what wrong.
I like to think i have common sense.
Common sense says if you are being smacked around and you arent happy about it, you should leave.
if they stop you from leaving, you fight.
now, no matter what the choice you make you eventually run to the cops or call 911.
you dont mull around for a few months/years/decades.
Even this Slut Shame that Femmefatal talks about comes into play,, maybe they were ashamed to go to police but i really dont think so.. These ladies arent feeble weak little women. they are strong willed successfull women . not the type you'd expect to let their attacker roam free.
you really think 9 of those ladies ALL were too afraid/embarrassed/whatever reason to report it ?
forget all that
dont you think they would have told someone, anyone, the very next day.
Ive seen how women react to a touch after a rape or assault.
Im pretty sure any one of their husbands/boyfreinds would notice an immediate problem
and a severe beating would have taken place on JG asap.
maybe I am wrong ?
I think every woman went to see JG on their own freewill, they did what they did, and im thinking maybe they found out it wasnt for them ( BDSM ) and maybe regret their poor descison
like it or not, there are men and women that enjoy this for some reason. some people pay. lol
its kept indoors secret not advertised. they arent looking for publicity.
I have no idea why all these women are popping out with their stories now.
selling stories to papers ? i dont know. i dont think like a lady that enjoys being hit/abused/humiliated....etc
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No thanks. Your pov is too solidly entrenched in these matters of speculation. I'm not there yet. See you in hell.
I'm all for alternative explanations of the story we have so far but all I'm hearing from you are questions to which the answer is either;
A- Jian sexually assaulted some women, or;
B- Some nonsensical justification founded on the premise that ******* be crazy, which formed the basis of my testy reply.
If you're not willing to come up with an alternative answer 'C' then you're not speculating, you're just muddying the waters with endless questions.
No, I think there are more than 9.
And I know that there are thousands upon thousands in similar situations who are too afraid/embarrassed/whatever to report it, so this is not a stretch by any means.
No you're not, not if you rebuff every one of the alternatives. You're no different than everybody else here in that you're putting it thru your personal prism. Nothing wrong with that but I fail to see how that puts you at an advantage. These scenarios where none of the talking heads know the truth are really telling. No wonder there are so many innocent people in jail over the years. Everybody's so sure of themselves. I'm throwing my 2cents in because that's what this thread requires but you want to disparage me by calling it muddying the waters. Enjoy.
How did you come to the conclusion that all these women a) Knew each other? b) Knew that the others went out with the guy? c) Knew what happened to each other? Just finished reading an interesting Maclean's article on Sex Offenders No One Suspects: Female Teachers Guess how many of those go unreported? Apparently, men are way, way, way behind women in reporting such things.
say what?
where did i make all those assumptions?
simply saying that for every woman that doesn't report **** like that it ends up that more women get hurt.
The stats say 97% do not report things like this, one of the biggest reasons is the attitude shown by many in this thread. How many times do they need to be victimized?
Had they actually reported it the next morning or even right after it happened all these questions we're asking wouldn't be asked.
But when you go back to see the guy on several other occasions AFTER you claim he raped you, sleep with him again and then don't say anything for years im sorry but anyone with half a working brain is gonna ask wtf is going on here?
And I'm simply saying how the heck would they know that there are others? Is there some kind of creep registry of which I'm unaware?
By not calling the cops when it happened to you because your feelings might get hurt you're essentially letting the criminal go and surprise surprise more women end up getting hurt as a result of your INACTION!
If the allegations are true, then clearly any number of these women could have prevented other women from this creep had they actually done the right thing
Kinda like seeing a drunk driver and saying "**** it, i don't wanna get involved" and moving on. Chances are someones gonna get hurt or killed. But wouldn't wanna inconvenience you after all would we? This is the general attitude of people, all about them.
*Puts flame suit on, bring it on
A conviction when one women comes forward against someone they knew/know is near zero. Basically what he said vs what she said, any doubt goes to the charged. Even lower when the perp has money, innocent even if proven guilty, big dollar lawyers will pervert the law and get them off.
What is happenening now is safety in numbers, they now know other victims are coming forward so they do not need to face it on their own.
As much as many here think they are tough guys and will fight back, my money is on the realality that if some guy 50 lbs bigger was rapping them they would turtle and not report it out of shame. Maybe a little struggle, not much. Everyone thinks they will fight back, most won't, Internet tough guys rarely are.
Just based on what has been admitted, he likes to hit women, it gets him off, he admits it.
