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Feds plan to melt ICE

Instead of saying "why we can't", instead ask "how can we".

My engineering career involved plenty of "how can we". Yes, sometimes there was "well, this won't work, but this other approach will", but progress forward was always the objective. Sitting still, or moving backwards, is never a long term option.

Words to live by: if you're going to be a naysayer, you'd better have a darn good alternative that's better than what you're bellyachin' about.
My marketing career involved plenty of “how will we”, which is a combination of engineering solutions that are timed to market acceptance.

There were plenty of times in my career that very smart engineers produced things that were ahead of their time, but also ahead of the market. It was alway tough putting the genie back in the bottle.

My engineering teams hated me at times, but at the end of the day they got paychecks.
 
The problem for the engineers is that the users haven't even defined the scope yet. They need to sit down and think.
How many charging stations, of what power, do we need at what spacing, along the trans Canada highway?
What about other main highways? Secondary routes?
Do roads need to be upgraded to support the heavier vehicles?
Will there be accommodations made by this or future governments for ICE vehicles, especially in remote areas?
What about trucks, boats, tractors, ski doos, sea doos, motorcycles, small engine equipment, generators, huge construction & mining equipment etc.?
How fast can we get more energy online to support the move?
Will brownouts, alternate days or some other form of rationing be required?
How do we subsidize the poor to allow them to make the move?
Should we move or stay with intermediate forms of energy like natural gas for things like house heating?
Propane?
How will we switch ICE mechanics into new jobs?
Countless other details that we haven't thought of yet.
Brute force and ignorance isn't always the best approach.
 
I suspect ice mechanics , which are already a dying breed , dealer techs are changing parts not pulling engines and transmissions apart in many instances.

The govt mandated change will happen much slower the JTs window . You can’t expect anyone to scrap 300k in farm equipment, my company is small and we own 2 million in diesel trucks and fork lifts .
Many will resist , and many will embrace, but the change is coming like it or not .


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My father bought one new car that I know of, an AMC Hornet.
I have survived with a string of used, and then a single new vehicle every ten years or so.
The prevailing thought was reduce/reuse/recycle.
This one is due in 2025, and as of the moment, I'd be looking at a Hybrid.
There's going to be much waste as this deICEing goes forward.
 
Unless I'm mistaken the mandate is only for new vehicles.
How easy will it be to get parts for not really obsolete vehicles? Macs and motorcycles have the same issue.
There are already cases of first gen electric vehicles waiting years and being unable to get replacement batteries, as the configuration has changed.
 
You are just throwing up reasons not to move forward. Tech grows obsolete....nothing new.
There are thousands of obsolete products without parts available across all sorts of industries.
Some of the earliest EVs have replacement batteries with twice the range of the original.
The replacement Leaf battery has twice the range of the original.
26 Mar 2023 — Nissan Leaf Battery Replacement Cost · According to a 2020 Greencars report, the Nissan Leaf 40 kWh battery costs $5,500
 
Closer to reality , a lot of folks with RVs will be looking at bigger vehicles than they used to need , if RVing stays a thing. Used pickups , already priced on tbe moon will be kooky .


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You are just throwing up reasons not to move forward. Tech grows obsolete....nothing new.
There are thousands of obsolete products without parts available across all sorts of industries.
Some of the earliest EVs have replacement batteries with twice the range of the original.
The replacement Leaf battery has twice the range of the original.
More throwing up things that need to be thought about before moving forward, not afterwards.
I'm an expert at the brute force and ignorance method of doing things, it usually isn't the best way forward.
Re: the battery: If you can get one.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/electric-vehicle-battery-replacement-1.7066842
 
Lots of business owners don't look much further ahead than next week's payroll. We also aren't privy to what Ford was telling their dealers to do and how much they wanted the dealers to spend. I have a funny feeling it involved Ford central office spending millions of someone else's money ("Retrain all of your mechanics and salespeople! Buy all this new equipment! Redecorate your showrooms!") and quite a number of dealers looking at their local business case and saying "nope".
 
tractors and boats use a crap ton of fuel and are not good fits for BEV yet (and maybe never).

Never say never. Look at battery tech today vs only 20 years ago.

We also aren't privy to what Ford was telling their dealers to do and how much they wanted the dealers to spend.

Most dealers hate EV's with a passion so it's not surprising they're not making much effort to not only stock them, but actively sell them - IE having knowledgeable salespeople who actually inform consumers about their realities and actively try to sell them. Instead of being able to get people in the door for their regularly scheduled oil change "every 3 months or 5000km!" (which we all know is antiquidated garbage but is unsurprisingly what a lot of dealers still push) along with all the opportunities to upsell them on ICE related **** they don't really need, well, with an EV, this is what they get - no meaningful profit until 240,000km.

Where there's no incentive, it's not surprising they're seeing decreased demand in some places.

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The replacement Leaf battery has twice the range of the original.
Bad choice of example... the original Leaf had battery packs with no heating or cooling ability. So they cooked themselves in summer and had huge heat cycles in cooler weather. The batteries also did not last and were nearly as expensive as replacing the car with a new one.

The modern Leaf setup does have a better battery but the real difference is that they've added cooling capability to the packs and that is the reason those cars are lasting much better both in range and life expectancy.

TL'DR' the original Leafs had a bad battery design.
 
The Nissan Leaf, TO THIS DAY, does not have active thermal management for the battery. Yep, the newer ones have more battery capacity, but the way they deal with "thermal management" is to route air from the passenger compartment past or through the battery compartment ...
 
The Nissan Leaf, TO THIS DAY, does not have active thermal management for the battery. Yep, the newer ones have more battery capacity, but the way they deal with "thermal management" is to route air from the passenger compartment past or through the battery compartment ...
I didn't say it was good cooling, but it does work better than nothing.

This is what a low-cost EV is like, folks. It's not here for a good time OR a long time, but it will do the job if you're a city driver. Forget any kind of trip in it, I wouldn't even be able to round trip to mom's place an hour away.

EDIT: Wow, did my friends with a newer Leaf ever gaslight me, it's true the newer LEAF is better, but out of curiosity I took a look at reports on the updated cars ... still boatloads of overheating problems and recommendations to never charge to more than 80% capacity. I guess I should know better by now than to take advice from Nissan fans. :confused:
 
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Hell, even our old Ioniq with it's mid range 200-250km range, we somehow managed to get it home from Quebec same day. I guess it was magic? Or maybe, you know....fast chargers which are super conveniently located along the 401.
Not everybody's mother lives along the 401.

Just saying....
 

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