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Feds plan to melt ICE

hdsomeday said:
Not everybody's mother lives along the 401.

Just saying....
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I'll ask you the same question then...how many kilometers range is far enough? Because this is the tried-as-time argument that EV owners hear all the time. It used to be when they had 200km ranges that people screamed they needed 400km. Now that lots will go 400km, people say they need 600km. Now that some can go 600km people say they need 1000km.

Meanwhile, most people drive under 50km a day on average. 15,000km a year is the average mileage Canadians drive every year, which is a measly 41km a day. Average KMs Driven Per Year | How Much Do Canadians Drive?
 
PrivatePilot said:
I'll ask you the same question then...how many kilometers range is far enough? Because this is the tried-as-time argument that EV owners hear all the time. It used to be when they had 200km ranges that people screamed they needed 400km. Now that lots will go 400km, people say they need 600km. Now that some can go 600km people say they need 1000km.

Meanwhile, most people drive under 50km a day on average. 15,000km a year is the average mileage Canadians drive every year, which is a measly 41km a day. Average KMs Driven Per Year | How Much Do Canadians Drive?
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Not too many people drive even close to the same distance every day so dividing by 365 is a pretty bad argument. That being said, much of the population rarely drives more than a few hundred km from home except for an occasional vacation. For the vast majority of two vehicle households, having one non-crap ev (no leaf, mini, egolf) and one ice is probably entirely sufficient.
 
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I did two trips today, one this morning, one this evening. Four cold starts from around -10 C and interior warm-up cycles. About a third of the distance was 427-401-410. Total 111.4 km, used 25.4 kWh. Less than half of available battery capacity. (5% battery conditioning ...)
 
There was a time not too long ago, if you wanted to drive your petro powered vehicle from London Ont. to Toronto or Windsor, you kept your tools in the trunk and your navigator brought extra panty hose just in case that piston powered machine blew a fan belt or needed a road side fix for something.

Water pumps, fuel pumps, therostats, fan belts, points, cracked distributor, plug wire, coil, etc.

Now, we don’t even check the oil when fueling up.

EVs do have draw backs. Range anxiety and charging are factors for some. Many can live just fine.


ps. The news doesn’t report the petro powered crap boxes that catch fire on the 400 series or QEW several times a year. EVs make the news and tiktok reel for clicks.
 
nakkers said:
ps. The news doesn’t report the petro powered crap boxes that catch fire on the 400 series or QEW several times a year. EVs make the news and tiktok reel for clicks.
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Several times a year? Vehicles fires on the 400 between vaughan and barrie alone are about one a week in the summer. Trucks seem to be the most common.
 
PrivatePilot said:
I'll ask you the same question then...how many kilometers range is far enough? Because this is the tried-as-time argument that EV owners hear all the time. It used to be when they had 200km ranges that people screamed they needed 400km. Now that lots will go 400km, people say they need 600km. Now that some can go 600km people say they need 1000km.

Meanwhile, most people drive under 50km a day on average. 15,000km a year is the average mileage Canadians drive every year, which is a measly 41km a day. Average KMs Driven Per Year | How Much Do Canadians Drive?
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Do I need multiple cars for a single driver? That doesn't seem to benefit the earth. I need to go from Ottawa to Toronto, around Toronto a bit, charge overnight, down to Welland, back to Toronto, charge overnight, back to Ottawa. How much range do I need? Will an EV do it in winter?

Still trying to convince myself that this is the direction I want to go.
Government seems convinced, but the market would collapse without their subsidies.
I'm thinking there should be a few more transition years while we get the bugs worked out, and make it cost effective.

In the meantime back to not enough charging stations, this is from Australia:

Edit: I suppose I could buy an EV for puttering around here in the winter, use the bike in the summer, and rent when I need to go to Toronto/Welland, but that seems like a lot of jury rigging to get from A to B.
 
What do you think would happen without oil and gas subsidies?
Don't think Toronto Welland is a big deal for current models. 135 km and a few charging stations Welland, Ontario EV Charging Stations Info | ChargeHub

Buy a hybrid if you are range anxious....some of the hybrids have decent EV only ranges as well for local trips.
 
MacDoc said:
What do you think would happen without oil and gas subsidies?
Don't think Toronto Welland is a big deal for current models. 135 km and a few charging stations Welland, Ontario EV Charging Stations Info | ChargeHub

Buy a hybrid if you are range anxious....some of the hybrids have decent EV only ranges as well for local trips.
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Still have a couple of years left in the current vehicle. I hate the throwaway philosophy with technology.
Ottawa to Toronto is 400 km which will challenge some vehicles' range, especially in winter.
Did you hear about the guy who froze to death while trying to flag down people?
 
Mad Mike said:
Looks like the Feds want to legislate phasing out the sales of new vehicles with internal combustion engines in 12 years.

No mention of whether bikes are included, all info refers only to “internal combustion vehicles”.

Can it be done?
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It wont be done.
 
Everything in its time:
 
Chicago deep freeze:
Infrastructure is needed for those who don't have a home charger, and/or when power outages occur.
 
Baggsy said:
Chicago deep freeze:
Infrastructure is needed for those who don't have a home charger, and/or when power outages occur.
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If you don't have the ability to charge at home (even 120V is good enough for most people), I would say a privately owned EV is a bad fit for the foreseeable future. Use a carshare EV or similar that lives at a charging station.

It would be interesting to know why all the chargers failed in the cold. Also interesting that someone spent 11 hours over two days hooked up to a supercharger getting no juice. If the gas pump isn't dispensing, I don't just sit there for days and hope it gets better. The mind boggles.
 
nobbie48 said:
What distillery did the engineers meet at?

Narcissism at its finest. I'm smart so don't bother me with facts. Besides, it's not my money.
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It would be interesting to know how they thought that would save 20% on emissions. Were they plugging in a huge charger at each end? Obviously the diesel engine is sized to propel the equipment so they didn't undersize the diesel and use the battery as a buffer (and I doubt that would have much effect on emissions anyway). Functionally zero regen is possible in this application. I don't see a single path to success. Just another government greenwashing dumpster fire.
 
GreyGhost said:
It would be interesting to know how they thought that would save 20% on emissions. Were they plugging in a huge charger at each end? Obviously the diesel engine is sized to propel the equipment so they didn't undersize the diesel and use the battery as a buffer (and I doubt that would have much effect on emissions anyway). Functionally zero regen is possible in this application. I don't see a single path to success. Just another government greenwashing dumpster fire.
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I don't know much about big boats and how it compares but aren't most of our train locomotives diesel electric? Lots of power but again, out of my scope. I vaguely recall something about the efficiency of diesel electric has to do with the engine being tuned to maximum efficiency at a specific engine RPM.
 
nobbie48 said:
I don't know much about big boats and how it compares but aren't most of our train locomotive diesel electric? Lots of power but again out of my scope. I vaguely recall something about the efficiency of diesel electric has to do with he engine being tuned to maximum efficiency at a specific engine RPM.
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Trains are diesel electric. In that case, it is more about the brakes. Almost trivial to turn energy at the wheels into tons of heat with minimal wear (there are huge resistance heaters and fans to dump the wheel energy into). Afaik, trains aren't running batteries for regen even though that could work well (charge on the way down the hill, use the power on the way up the next hill or charge heading into a stop, use battery to accelerate again).

Yes, diesels are more efficient at peak torque but that band is quite wide and by the time you take into account efficiency losses of creating/using electricity, any efficiency saved on diesel is well in the rearview.

Most private boats are not diesel-electric. I have no idea how big you have to get before they head that route. I know some ships are diesel electric as it simplifies redundancy and control. You can have three (or more) power sources and two screws and any power source can power any screw in either direction.
 
nobbie48 said:
I don't know much about big boats and how it compares but aren't most of our train locomotives diesel electric? Lots of power but again, out of my scope. I vaguely recall something about the efficiency of diesel electric has to do with the engine being tuned to maximum efficiency at a specific engine RPM.
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You're right but it's really more about how the electric motors can generate ALL their torque at 1 RPM. Same (or part of) the reason that the big cruise ships use a similar setup. The other thing as GreyGhost has pointed out, you can regenerate power during braking with minimal wear using electric motors... and also minimal wear to the braking components as the motors essentially act as brakes themselves, but without friction.
 
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