|
|
|
Feds plan to melt ICE
- Thread starter Mad Mike
- Start date
Mad Mike
Well-known member
Rav 4 alternator is 115a output, that should be ok on a real 1kw inverter. At 1000w you’ll charge the bike in about 2 hrs, you’ll need to run the car for about 1hr at idle.
You'll need to run the car for almost the entire charge period. Starting battery has ~1 kwh. If you put that in the bike, you can't start the car to recharge. If you're a gambling man, you could charge for 30 minutes, run the car for 1:15 and then turn off and let it deplete approximately half the starting battery while it finishes charging. For the 3 litres of fuel it cost me, I would be happy to leave it running while charger is connected.
I foresee a meme "E Biker runs ICE vehicle for an hour to run his E bike around a five acre pasture."
Mad Mike
Well-known member
Probably 1.5l/hr in a RAV.
I remember my 300hp Chrysler V8s used 3.5lhr at 1000rpm. My 20HP kholer genie running at 3600 rpm used 3l/hr.
Still cleaner by far than a 2 stroke trial bike probably less fuel as well.I foresee a meme "E Biker runs ICE vehicle for an hour to run his E bike around a five acre pasture."
Sent from the future
Mad Mike
Well-known member
That was going to bring me back to the main point. I’m guessing a gas trials bike would use about 1l of fuel to go as far as the E-bike in question.I foresee a meme "E Biker runs ICE vehicle for an hour to run his E bike around a five acre pasture."
So pollution isn’t the argument if the e-bike needs to be recharged of a genie or inverter.
That's an interesting question. I would guess far more gas as it will spend a bunch of time idling and a few minutes with it's neck wrung.
I was going to say that I didn't think air pollution was a good argument but you probably replaced 2T engine emissions with 4T emissions (either generator or vehicle with full emissions controls) so the electric bike is probably very far ahead in air emissions. I suspect the big advantage is noise emissions. WB can practice as much as he wants in his back yard and is unlikely to piss off the neighbours (although B may complain about the skid marks on the new deck).
The housing crisis is the same. All we need to do is to build more. It's really easy to say.
California's been at it for a long time now, and hasn't succeeded.
It's a bit of a stretch comparing building a charging station to a house.
Since there are multiple cars in each driveway, I'll admit that it might underestimate the demand for charging stations. But in either case, we need to build millions of them.
Edit: California has 80,000 chargers. They think they can build another 90,000 this year, and will need at least 1,200,000 in six years.
Charging Ahead: California Doubling the Number of EV Chargers in the State With $3 Billion Investment | California Governor
Report Shows California Needs 1.2 Million Electric Vehicle Chargers by 2030
As for linking it to housing, why not? How many people currently live in their vehicles?
It's another situation where there's a demand that doesn't meet the supply.
The government also wants a cap on the price in both situations for the less wealthy to participate, or maybe not.
Last edited:
Mad Mike
Well-known member
Tough to figure out. A 12hp a 2t is wants about 0.8l / kWh. A 4t gas gennie wants about 1.5l/kwh.
I’m gonna guess the 2t’s use of gas would be hard to beat with a portable genie.
Mad Mike
Well-known member
Charging networks should work themselves out over time as existing energy companies look to replace gas sales in their existing networks.
Govt muddling could slow things down.
You do not need 1.2 million public-access DC fast-charging stations to supply power to California! I don't know where that number came from, but it's probably the total of DC fast-chargers and public-access Level 2 slow-chargers. There aren't 80,000 DC fast-charge stations in California. There's only 10,000 gasoline filling stations in California!
bigpoppa
Well-known member
Stupid ideas come from florida, impractical ones come from california.
Mad Mike
Well-known member
California has 40m vehicles (14m are cars 1m of those EVs.). They can’t make it work with 1m cars and 80k stations. I don’t know the ratio of cars to stations, but it’s gotta be double+ the petroleum ratio as range and fill times would dictate.
The definition of station is used differently for petroleum and electricity filling.
Here is 1 gas station:
And here are 5 EV stations:
It's your right to disagree with the Governor and Energy Commission of California, but you need to read everything, and then justify your opinions or start prefacing them with "In my opinion", otherwise, we're just wasting our time.
According to the interweb, as of a few months ago, California had 14,000 fast-charging stations which included 38,000 fast-charging ports. The balance of "80,000" will be public access Level 2 AC chargers (which are slower). I don't know how many private Level 1 or Level 2 chargers there are ... probably approaching one per vehicle ... but keep in mind that a Level 1 charger could be the 120V AC one that comes with the car, plugged into any available receptacle. No installation no permit no nothing.
In 45,000 km, the number of times my own EV has been plugged into a DC fast-charger, total, ever, remains possible to count with my fingers.
couple things here. The auto manufacturers that gave away DC fast-charging for free without limits, aren't doing the system any favours. Those people are sitting occupying DC fast-chargers charging slowly to 100% while other people are waiting. The charging station networks that are charging by kWh and are not implementing idle fees, are also not doing the system any favours. They're likewise getting people sitting charging to 100% for hours and sitting occupying the spot afterward because it's not costing them anything. (Ideally, at something like 90% they should start billing for time, and then double it if the car remains plugged in and not charging.) The charging networks that are not fixing broken chargers (*cough* Electrify America) aren't doing the system any favours. Those chargers are counted in the total but not doing anybody any good.
Random spot check on Plugshare. Open Plugshare. Filter for 50kW minimum power (includes only fast-chargers). Zoom in on California. I am looking only at SAE J1772/CCS stations (not Tesla) because that's what my car uses. There's a bazillion of them. Zoom in on Interstate 5 about halfway between LA and San Fran. Chevron ExtraMile Coalinga, Chargepoint. Among the three available CCS/SAE plugs at that station, 2 are available, 1 is not. Random check a little further south at a Chargepoint Dennys in Lebec, CA. 3 stations, 3 chargers available. How about along I15. Baker Travel Centre. Another Chargepoint. 3 stations available, 1 not.
And yes, I am aware of *some* situations where people have been lined up at fast-chargers waiting for a spot. I've not had it happen, and at least right now as of this very moment, it is not the case at any of the randomly selected spots.
Looks like Electrify America doesn't report charger status to PlugShare. That's a nuisance.
In 45,000 km, the number of times my own EV has been plugged into a DC fast-charger, total, ever, remains possible to count with my fingers.
couple things here. The auto manufacturers that gave away DC fast-charging for free without limits, aren't doing the system any favours. Those people are sitting occupying DC fast-chargers charging slowly to 100% while other people are waiting. The charging station networks that are charging by kWh and are not implementing idle fees, are also not doing the system any favours. They're likewise getting people sitting charging to 100% for hours and sitting occupying the spot afterward because it's not costing them anything. (Ideally, at something like 90% they should start billing for time, and then double it if the car remains plugged in and not charging.) The charging networks that are not fixing broken chargers (*cough* Electrify America) aren't doing the system any favours. Those chargers are counted in the total but not doing anybody any good.
Random spot check on Plugshare. Open Plugshare. Filter for 50kW minimum power (includes only fast-chargers). Zoom in on California. I am looking only at SAE J1772/CCS stations (not Tesla) because that's what my car uses. There's a bazillion of them. Zoom in on Interstate 5 about halfway between LA and San Fran. Chevron ExtraMile Coalinga, Chargepoint. Among the three available CCS/SAE plugs at that station, 2 are available, 1 is not. Random check a little further south at a Chargepoint Dennys in Lebec, CA. 3 stations, 3 chargers available. How about along I15. Baker Travel Centre. Another Chargepoint. 3 stations available, 1 not.
And yes, I am aware of *some* situations where people have been lined up at fast-chargers waiting for a spot. I've not had it happen, and at least right now as of this very moment, it is not the case at any of the randomly selected spots.
Looks like Electrify America doesn't report charger status to PlugShare. That's a nuisance.
|
|
|
|
|