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[crankcall]

As above , mount inverter in trailer and power off tow vehicle , or park bike beside Rav and hard wire . CTC has inverters on sale all the time .

My new Tacoma has a 110v plug , but it think it’s silly like 400w . That won’t make toast .


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[GreyGhost]

As above , mount inverter in trailer and power off tow vehicle , or park bike beside Rav and hard wire . CTC has inverters on sale all the time .

I wouldn't do that. You'd need something like 4 gauge from the rav battery to the inverter in the trailer. Copper and anderson connectors would cost more than the inverter.

 

[Brian P]

2 kWh is on par with one of those Bluetti or Ecoflow integrated battery/inverters. If the bike will get through a day on its own, bringing that fully charged and the bike fully charged covers a weekend.

In the future world of electrifying all the things ... a 400w solar panel is about 1.8 m x 1.2 m, and on a sunny day that'll roughly keep up.

Back when I bought my gasoline generator, this type of solution was not even feasible, and as of a couple years ago it was technically possible but horrendously expensive. It's still more expensive than buying a gas-powered generator (roughly double), but no winterizing, no dealing with gasoline, no noise, etc.

SOAR's registration bus uses a system like this, although it was pieced together rather than using an integrated box with the battery+inverter+charge controller all in one.

 

[Wingboy]

This link has the technical details.

Dragonfly - Mecatecno UK

The lightest full size trials bike on the market today. *** Now available directly from the Mecatecno factory, custom build options !!*** Mecatecno now have on offer Xparts, their aftermarket products. These include lighter weight parts and higher capacity batteries that are the same size and...

mecatecno.co.uk

 

[Wingboy]

You'd definitely have to leave it running. A starting battery has less than a kwh. If I guessed his bike correctly, bike battery is just under 2 kwh and charges in about 2.5 hours. Charger puts out 780 watts.

EDIT:
Here is pic I found. Hopefully NA bikes get a 120V charger.

Just got an email from the dealer.

More or less, from 80% to 100% takes the same than from 0% to 80%, because the last part of the charge the BMS is laveling the charge of all the battery cells to the same level. Good thing is that it doesn’t recquire as much power as the first part, so the difference isn’t too big. Here we charge the batteries to 100% in around 2.5h, so yes, a 120V charging takes roughly twice the time of a 230V charging system. Maybe is more accurate to tell 4 plus hours but in my experience customers often ask for the charging time but then normally they don’t run out of battery every ride or they don’t have more energy for a second discharge, and the customers that are really interested in this aspect, at the end they buy a second battery.

By the way, another important information about the chargers is that they can be used from 110v to 240v, so they can be used with all tensions, and if the power generators are powerful as the european grid tension, the batteries will recharge faste
r.

 

[Scuba Steve]

Just got an email from the dealer.

More or less, from 80% to 100% takes the same than from 0% to 80%, because the last part of the charge the BMS is laveling the charge of all the battery cells to the same level. Good thing is that it doesn’t recquire as much power as the first part, so the difference isn’t too big. Here we charge the batteries to 100% in around 2.5h, so yes, a 120V charging takes roughly twice the time of a 230V charging system. Maybe is more accurate to tell 4 plus hours but in my experience customers often ask for the charging time but then normally they don’t run out of battery every ride or they don’t have more energy for a second discharge, and the customers that are really interested in this aspect, at the end they buy a second battery.

By the way, another important information about the chargers is that they can be used from 110v to 240v, so they can be used with all tensions, and if the power generators are powerful as the european grid tension, the batteries will recharge faste
r.

So a 1000w inverter with a 240v output would be perfect hook to the rav let it idle a couple of hours and done.

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[GreyGhost]

Just got an email from the dealer.

More or less, from 80% to 100% takes the same than from 0% to 80%, because the last part of the charge the BMS is laveling the charge of all the battery cells to the same level. Good thing is that it doesn’t recquire as much power as the first part, so the difference isn’t too big. Here we charge the batteries to 100% in around 2.5h, so yes, a 120V charging takes roughly twice the time of a 230V charging system. Maybe is more accurate to tell 4 plus hours but in my experience customers often ask for the charging time but then normally they don’t run out of battery every ride or they don’t have more energy for a second discharge, and the customers that are really interested in this aspect, at the end they buy a second battery.

By the way, another important information about the chargers is that they can be used from 110v to 240v, so they can be used with all tensions, and if the power generators are powerful as the european grid tension, the batteries will recharge faste
r.

Ummm. That all seems like poo. I would be absolutely shocked if the charger only charges at 400 watts on 110. I'm not convinced the dealer knows their head from their (*&(*&. The pic of the charger I found was 200+ volts only but I highly suspect they will ship a universal 120-240V charger as that is easier for them on almost every level (especially if stinger to wall is a separate cord).

 

[Scuba Steve]

Just got an email from the dealer.

More or less, from 80% to 100% takes the same than from 0% to 80%, because the last part of the charge the BMS is laveling the charge of all the battery cells to the same level. Good thing is that it doesn’t recquire as much power as the first part, so the difference isn’t too big. Here we charge the batteries to 100% in around 2.5h, so yes, a 120V charging takes roughly twice the time of a 230V charging system. Maybe is more accurate to tell 4 plus hours but in my experience customers often ask for the charging time but then normally they don’t run out of battery every ride or they don’t have more energy for a second discharge, and the customers that are really interested in this aspect, at the end they buy a second battery.

By the way, another important information about the chargers is that they can be used from 110v to 240v, so they can be used with all tensions, and if the power generators are powerful as the european grid tension, the batteries will recharge faste
r.

https://www.amazon.ca/Inverter-Transformer-Converter-Outlets-12vTo220v/dp/B09L1FLMKP/ref=mp_s_a_1_7?crid=2XZZ4ES0P1KQS&keywords=220v%2B1000w%2Binverter&qid=1704320860&sprefix=220v%2B1000w%2Binvert%2Caps%2C424&sr=8-7&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.b06bdbbe-20fd-4ebc-88cf-fa04f1ca0da8&th=1&psc=1

Should do it 1200w 240 output 2 hour charge.

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[GreyGhost]

https://www.amazon.ca/Inverter-Transformer-Converter-Outlets-12vTo220v/dp/B09L1FLMKP/ref=mp_s_a_1_7?crid=2XZZ4ES0P1KQS&keywords=220v%2B1000w%2Binverter&qid=1704320860&sprefix=220v%2B1000w%2Binvert%2Caps%2C424&sr=8-7&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.b06bdbbe-20fd-4ebc-88cf-fa04f1ca0da8&th=1&psc=1

Should do it 1200w 240 output 2 hour charge.

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That is bleeping scary. Flagrant false advertising (brutal modified sine wave and not pure sine wave as advertised). If it did put out 1200 watts continuous, input power is in the range of 100A. They give you a lighter plug which is good for 180 watts max (normally less) and alligator clips with what looks like 12 ga wiring which you may get 40A through. It would be a miracle if that "1200 watt" inverter puked out more than 500 watts.

 

[Scuba Steve]

That is bleeping scary. Flagrant false advertising (brutal modified sine wave and not pure sine wave as advertised). If it did put out 1200 watts continuous, input power is in the range of 100A. They give you a lighter plug which is good for 180 watts max (normally less) and alligator clips with what looks like 12 ga wiring which you may get 40A through. It would be a miracle if that "1200 watt" inverter puked out more than 500 watts.

Would need hard wired with appropriate cable if it can do what it claims. There are lots of inverters out there all need wired to the battery. Would love to see a picture of the actual charger and specs.

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[GreyGhost]

Would need hard wired with appropriate cable if it can do what it claims. There are lots of inverters out there all need wired to the battery. Would love to see a picture of the actual charger and specs.

Sent from the future

I put a pic of a dragonfly charger in post 300. That is from australian market. I will be shocked if WB gets one that requires 240V. It would just be so annoying to be 200V+ (even charging at home would be an obstacle for most people).

 

[Scuba Steve]

I put a pic of a dragonfly charger in post 300. That is from australian market. I will be shocked if WB gets one that requires 240V. It would just be so annoying to be 200V+ (even charging at home would be an obstacle for most people).

If it can charge 800w at 120 this one is good and from a decent brand

1000W 12V Pure Sine Wave Inverter (New Edition)

Renogy 1000W 12V pure sine wave inverter transforms the DC into AC power, offers quiet operation with slight buzzing sounds and protects your electronics, safe and reliable.

ca.renogy.com

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[Wingboy]

I put a pic of a dragonfly charger in post 300. That is from australian market. I will be shocked if WB gets one that requires 240V. It would just be so annoying to be 200V+ (even charging at home would be an obstacle for most people).

I have 240v in my garage for my industrial heater.

 

[GreyGhost]

I have 240v in my garage for my industrial heater.

I do too but it has no receptacle on that circuit and a 40A breaker is not appropriate for a receptacle that that charger would want. I have some plugs close to each other on separate phases, if it came down to it, I could make a pigtail to give me a safe 240V receptacle. I'd rather just have a normal plug on my toy.

 

[crankcall]

If I’ve learned anything in a decade of playing with solar panels , wind generators and RV inverters , trust nothing you find on alibaba or even Amazon unless it’s a brand you have heard of . Xantrax or RedArc , Blusea are brands of stuff I trust if hooking to anything sensitive. LongDucDong engineering is a great way to fry 3k in electronics because “ it was a deal”


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[nobbie48]

Dunno. How many kwh is battery? What charge current/voltage can it accept? How long are you willing to leave the generator on?

The answers to those questions will help but I will be shocked if a 2kw generator doesn't charge it in less than 8 hours.

EDIT:
Mecatecno Dragonfly? Battery is 1.875 kWh. They say 2.5 hours to recharge. It looks like small battery size limits the rate so even a 1kW generator should be sufficient and you need to give it 2.5 hours. I would hope you get a 120V charger. Pics I have seen were 240V charger which would push you to a far larger generator (and just generally be a pain in the ass). Charger output is 760 watts. Charger input won't be grossly over that (definitely sub 1000 watts).

A 120 : 240 volt transformer would match the output to the charger as long as the generator output matched the needed charger input. My 120/240 2KVA Tx is about the size of half a loaf of bread but a lot heavier.

 

[nobbie48]

If I’ve learned anything in a decade of playing with solar panels , wind generators and RV inverters , trust nothing you find on alibaba or even Amazon unless it’s a brand you have heard of . Xantrax or RedArc , Blusea are brands of stuff I trust if hooking to anything sensitive. LongDucDong engineering is a great way to fry 3k in electronics because “ it was a deal”


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I ran an inverter in my service van and an earlier one ran great but eventually fried after a decent service life. Its larger questionable heritage replacement didn't have as high an output and fried at a young age. The wattage listings IIRC are input. Expect 80% for output.

 

[nobbie48]

That is bleeping scary. Flagrant false advertising (brutal modified sine wave and not pure sine wave as advertised). If it did put out 1200 watts continuous, input power is in the range of 100A. They give you a lighter plug which is good for 180 watts max (normally less) and alligator clips with what looks like 12 ga wiring which you may get 40A through. It would be a miracle if that "1200 watt" inverter puked out more than 500 watts.

12 Volts DC to 120 volts AC totally ignoring losses is a 10:1 change in amperage. A 5 amp 120 volt load is 50 amps at 12 volts. The connecting 12 volt wiring will be like welding cables.

Check the lighter plug fusing. Now they're called accessory plugs and may not handle the same load.

Maybe an auto tech can comment but in the good old days you could tap off power just about anywhere. Now various expensive control modules go up in smoke if inappropriate connections are made.

 

[backmarkerducati]

What does a mass evacuation in places like Yellowknife look like in an all electric world? Vehicles with shorter range can be quickly delivered fuel today but charging mass amounts of cars may be tricky without major uplifts of infrastructure. Just food for thought, not a total show stopper but a problem.

As for the "policy" it is inline with other western countries and I fully expect it to be pushed back along with those countries when they realize it is not working out. Remember back in the mid 90s California mandated 10% (give or take) vehicles sold had to be zero emissions....

 

[GreyGhost]

What does a mass evacuation in places like Yellowknife look like in an all electric world? Vehicles with shorter range can be quickly delivered fuel today but charging mass amounts of cars may be tricky without major uplifts of infrastructure. Just food for thought, not a total show stopper but a problem.

As for the "policy" it is inline with other western countries and I fully expect it to be pushed back along with those countries when they realize it is not working out. Remember back in the mid 90s California mandated 10% (give or take) vehicles sold had to be zero emissions....

Mass evacuations by personal vehicle don't work well for ice either. Should probably use something like empty freight cars to move thousands at once and at high speed. Leave your crap behind folks.

The upside to over the air updates is they can help some in these situations. When a hurricane was coming, Tesla removed the reserve lockout so range was substantially increased (at the expense of battery life).

As for regulators and stupid limits, I suspect that is how we ended up with "partial zero emissions vehicles" which were normal ice cars with more stupidity and a badge.