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Post #857
Yeah, I kind of don't really understand how F1 can be exciting with this product. Vettel wasn't winning everything because of the engine, but rather the whole package ... so going to the vacuum cleaner engines is not going to stop them (even though he had DNA in the first race). It's just a matter of time, they will be at the top soon again.
Some people find it exciting because of DNA's or engine blow up?? It's like when MotoGP claims exciting race, because it rained and bunch of guys went down .... You know if commentators use rain as a hype generator the racing product is not very exciting.
Moving forward, I can see how the costs will actually exponentially grow ... the smaller teams will not be able to keep with the development of all the power units involved with the new technical regulations. It's getting so complicated that it's ridiculous .... but I respect that there could be many people who find it interesting. Don't get me wrong, I do like to read about the technicalities and how different teams approach the rules, I just don't like when it takes away from real racing/passing incidents. And then there's the sound ... LOL
A very good reason I go to MotoGP races is the sound. You just cannot get that out of a TV. If sound is taken out of the equation, I am sure I am staying home, because I can get better coverage, camera angles, slow motion out of TV .... Maybe it's just me.
Some people find it exciting because of DNA's or engine blow up?? It's like when MotoGP claims exciting race, because it rained and bunch of guys went down .... You know if commentators use rain as a hype generator the racing product is not very exciting.
Moving forward, I can see how the costs will actually exponentially grow ... the smaller teams will not be able to keep with the development of all the power units involved with the new technical regulations. It's getting so complicated that it's ridiculous .... but I respect that there could be many people who find it interesting. Don't get me wrong, I do like to read about the technicalities and how different teams approach the rules, I just don't like when it takes away from real racing/passing incidents. And then there's the sound ... LOL
A very good reason I go to MotoGP races is the sound. You just cannot get that out of a TV. If sound is taken out of the equation, I am sure I am staying home, because I can get better coverage, camera angles, slow motion out of TV .... Maybe it's just me.
Not everything is as groovy as you make it look to be .... the figures are dropping, especially in F1 savvy countries (Germany, Brasil) ... http://www.sportbusiness.com/tv-sports-markets/formula-one-suffers-drop-global-audience
At the end of the day, it's not about you or me, but rather the huge financial backers nobody talks about who keeps the F1 wheels spinning. As long as they don't mind nobody cares. There's a reason why Bernie has to keep finding new markets, because people there don't mind the new gadget driven style F1 is becoming.
Bernie hopes to stop the audience bleeding with a V6 + battery + gadgetry concept ... I think he's looking for potentially another year of audience drop LOL
At the end of the day, it's not about you or me, but rather the huge financial backers nobody talks about who keeps the F1 wheels spinning. As long as they don't mind nobody cares. There's a reason why Bernie has to keep finding new markets, because people there don't mind the new gadget driven style F1 is becoming.
Bernie hopes to stop the audience bleeding with a V6 + battery + gadgetry concept ... I think he's looking for potentially another year of audience drop LOL
Should F1 be a technical pursuit or an athletic pursuit or what combination of the two? I'd like to know who the best driver is. Not who has the advantage that season. Technical differences can't be totally eliminated but imho the sport should showcase the driving talent.
Try DTM or IndyCar. In a good year, F1 is both - you will have multiple drivers with cars that have independent strengths, and the drivers will try and press those strengths to their own advantage. In a bad year one team has developed a significant gain, whether inside or outside the spirit of the rules, and due to the pace of development now nobody has the chance to catch up. I think that's currently a big problem - no matter what formula the rules decide to go with for any given year, the lead time for designing a car is massive. Teams used to copy each other mid-season, but you don't see that anymore.
SweetOnion
Well-known member
Umm, F1 IS a technical persuit... That's why there is a Constructor's championship.
Driver talent has been absent since the early 70's.
Best car wins 9/10 times.
Each decade the sport goes through radical changes. Eras are fondly remembered as how great the golden years were.
I'd like to hybrid the **** out of that statement and introduce more 'error' by way of tires that don't last half a race + refueling at pitstops + old school Lemans style starts that begin with a sprint to the car, buckle self-in, drive off.
Fatties be run over.I haven't been alive that long, but ever since in-season-testing has been banned, Ferrari has suffered, and that everyone is jumping into the new season with a lot more uncertainty at every race. New parts that theoretically should work are not guaranteed to do as they predict.
I loved watching F1 when every lap is at qualifying pace--at that knife's-edge-balance between in control and out of control. I hope to the F1 gods that this year doesn't become a "race management" competition and require too much fuel management which hinders balls-out-racing. Last year's tire-management was borderline boring (but interesting to see who's driving style was most forgiving--Button), and I fear that conserving fuel will evolve into an uglier beast.
To fully participate as a F1 fan one must be a student of the game. That's all well and good for a certain type of fan who understands the importance of 9th place finish, for example. My understanding is that F1 got the name to represent the #1 formula, top racing series. That would dictate top technical formula. To bad the racing sucks. Supercross, nobody talks about the tech, I can tune in any Saturday night and be up to speed inside of 5 minutes. Look at the passing. Go Bubba. Look at the mess Moto GP has become because of formulas.
Comparing dirt bikes to million dollar cars, makes total sense. Judging a series after one race also makes sense. .....Verdict for Sundays Moto GP was very positive
The Moto GP race was exciting but not because of the convoluted technical formula. Odd that the Moto2 is usually better racing. Comparing million dollar cars to dirt bikes is just that, a comparison: which is the closer racing and why?
Again judging moto2 after one race .
If you want close racing there's always Nascar...
After 1 race? I guess you haven't watched Moto2 since Moto2 started and 250GP before that? Or 125GP? Formula 1 is renown for not delivering on big promises. If you're a big fan ........enjoy.
I'm willing to wager that the majority of the complainers on this thread have never seen an F1 race live.
Be grateful for F1, the road car you are driving today, very likely has technology adapted from F1. With the future being hybrid power trains, again, F1 technology will surely trickle down into tomorrows road car making for a better over all product. Well, except for, if you drive a push rod GM product. :lol:
Be grateful for F1, the road car you are driving today, very likely has technology adapted from F1. With the future being hybrid power trains, again, F1 technology will surely trickle down into tomorrows road car making for a better over all product. Well, except for, if you drive a push rod GM product. :lol:
Ya, thats one way to spin it. I'm not a F1 hater. I just wish the racing were better. It's like almost every Grand Prix is the Super Bowl. Lots of provenance, tradition, glamour, pomp and circumstance, the beautiful people, the best of the best from janitor to driver.......but what about on track? Qualifying's good tho.
That's why champ cars exist, to fill the void for the casual fan that wants action. Ya know how it's spun, just like Nascar. Oh no James Hitchcliffe's crew chief just farted lets go full course yellow so the whole field bunches up again. Makes for great viewing for the average fan.
As opposed to the sophisticated fan who doesn't want action? I don't get your angle. F1 has some of the greatest minds and most talented people. And a billion people willing to fund the whole thing. A quality product is to much to ask?
SweetOnion
Well-known member
Perhaps Jayv has only seen one round of MotoGp..........
also I fully agree with your angle on F1... I have seen every race since 2004, for the record.
Perhaps Jayv has only seen one round of MotoGp..........
also I fully agree with your angle on F1... I have seen every race since 2004, for the record.
Wasn't a 2012 Moto2 race won by 17 seconds.
I wouldn't know that as obviously as I've only watched one race.
First F1 race I watched live Niki Lauda won it, also old enough to have watched Mansell race a F3 car at Thruxton.
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