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I would be fine with a vaccination passport, I also see it coming as a condition of employment.

People agued years ago against the 'flu' vaccine , medical professionals saw it as optional, hospitals insisted staff get it and its now a requirement. You don't work in an Ontario hospital without it.

I can see workplaces putting a requirement in place for covid vaccinations, there will be inevitable deniers and protest,
 
I didn’t consider the travel insurance aspect of it.

As we’ve seen even with snowbirds, people can have their insurance cancelled mid trip (or they extend their stay and not insurance) and then left holding the bag should something happen.

A few stories of 100-300k hospital bills and people will think twice.

Personally I think a lot of this anti mask/vax is nothing more than hot air anyway. Scream loud and then get your shot in the quiet.
 
Everyone who thinks there won’t be restrictions based on vaccination status in the months and years ahead is kidding themselves.

Call it what you will - “vaccine passport” or whatever PC name floats ones boat. It’s inevitable. I’d put money on the fact proof of vaccination will be required both ways for even the Canada / US border when it comes to recreational travel when it reopens…just to start.
 
There is no way the US is going to implement a vaccine passport/ID with democrats in power.. Zero chance.

Id say countries like Australia and New Zealand will continue to quarantine incomming passengers even with a "vaccine passport", that would not be worth the paper it's written on coming from some countries where corruption and fake documents are a way of life.

Imo Canada is not getting out of this pandemic for a LONG time. Between vaccine shortages and nonstop flights from hotspots around the world incomming daily, we have no chance here.
 
mimico_polak said:
Personally I think a lot of this anti mask/vax is nothing more than hot air anyway. Scream loud and then get your shot in the quiet.
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Highly likely, although there is certainly a hardcore element.

PrivatePilot said:
Everyone who thinks there won’t be restrictions based on vaccination status in the months and years ahead is kidding themselves.

Call it what you will - “vaccine passport” or whatever PC name floats ones boat. It’s inevitable. I’d put money on the fact proof of vaccination will be required both ways for even the Canada / US border when it comes to recreational travel when it reopens…just to start.
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Neither the US nor Canadian governments seem inclined to go the vaccine passport route. It is almost a certainty in the EU, Australia, New Zealand, and other regions. I suspect the US-Canada border will initially open with a requirement to show a negative test result ... and then pressure will be put on the authorities to accept proof of vaccination as an alternative (I think more than half the people will be vaccinated in both countries by the time this happens).

Meanwhile, in Denmark ... Coronapas: The passport helping Denmark open up after Covid
 
DownUnder said:
There is no way the US is going to implement a vaccine passport/ID with democrats in power
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Odd since Democrats tend to be the sort who look at science over fantasy like that other party. I know there was initial knee jerk reaction to at some state levels (red states, not surprisingly) but federal law is the one that controls borders.

I’ll wager you Two GTAMBux* on it.

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Yeah, it will be a "vaccine passport", just not by that name.

Our own health care system is keeping track of who's vaccinated (and who has tested positive/negative) by health card number. That database exists. It ought to be a relatively simple exercise to request an authorisation from you to release that information to passport authorities, and keep that on file with your vaccination record.
 
PrivatePilot said:
Odd since Democrats tend to be the sort who look at science over fantasy like that other party. I know there was initial knee jerk reaction to at some state levels (red states, not surprisingly) but federal law is the one that controls borders.

I’ll wager you Two GTAMBux* on it.

*$1 GTAMBux = $5 Donation to the forum.
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No, nothing to do with science, it will be political. Just like voter ID laws, they will claim it discriminates against their voter base.
 
DownUnder said:
No, nothing to do with science, it will be political. Just like voter ID laws, they will claim it discriminates against their voter base.
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Thats the republicans who are upset about it.

They are not in control or in the majority right now. And I think enough of them are sensible and aren’t as against it as many anticipate. Floriduh and the usuals excluded.
 
Brian P said:
. I suspect the US-Canada border will initially open with a requirement to show a negative test result ... and then pressure will be put on the authorities to accept proof of vaccination as an alternative (I think more than half the people will be vaccinated in both countries by the time this happens).

Meanwhile, in Denmark ... Coronapas: The passport helping Denmark open up after Covid
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From a purely cost perspective, government perpetually funding tests because you dont want to get vaccinated and want to travel doesnt make sense. The vaccination costs approx the same as two tests. In the near term it makes sense but much more than a year out, that type of testing should get punted to private money. If you want to travel and dont want to vaccinated, we wont stop you but its $50-100 every time you want to cross.
 
GreyGhost said:
From a purely cost perspective, government perpetually funding tests because you dont want to get vaccinated and want to travel doesnt make sense. The vaccination costs approx the same as two tests. In the near term it makes sense but much more than a year out, that type of testing should get punted to private money. If you want to travel and dont want to vaccinated, we wont stop you but its $50-100 every time you want to cross.
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negative test or vaccine seems more likely than just insisting on people getting vaccinated. And I think a negative test is more valuable than the vaccine for travel ,vaccinated people can still carry and shed the virus
 
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Yeah, it will be a "vaccine passport", just not by that name.
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So, a pass, which shows our vaccination status then. Kinda like a passport that shows our citizenship status.

Good then. Glad that’s settled. ?
 
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,vaccinated people can still carry and shed the virus
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Insufficient information available to make that statement. That is the default position assumed but it often is proven incorrect after study. Only preliminary information so far but it appears that at least one of the vaccines is effective in preventing infection (as opposed to allowing you to be infected but asymptomatic). If it hasn't replicated in you, yes it is possible that you carry it, but so could every package that crosses the border and those have proven to be an insignificant vector (for now).
 
GreyGhost said:
Insufficient information available to make that statement. That is the default position assumed but it often is proven incorrect after study. Only preliminary information so far but it appears that at least one of the vaccines is effective in preventing infection (as opposed to allowing you to be infected but asymptomatic). If it hasn't replicated in you, yes it is possible that you carry it, but so could every package that crosses the border and those have proven to be an insignificant vector (for now).
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it is theoretical that you can still spread the virus. Also the vaccine is not 100% effective so to me a negative test is way more valuable than somebody telling me they got the shot a week ago or a month ago.
 
Crossing the border based on tests means you're paying the cost of the tests and going through the aggravation and time of getting it done. Vaccine administered in your country of residence is free of charge. That alone will drive people who travel towards being vaccinated. But then comes the matter of proving that it's done.

Vaccine passports for international travel, whether it's called that or not, are going to happen. Yeah, perhaps testing will be accepted as an alternative, but it will be more aggravation and time to do it that way.

"vaccinated people can still carry and shed the virus" ... and people can still acquire infection in the non-zero time period between submitting a test sample and arriving at a border crossing. There is non-zero risk either way, but mounting evidence is that the risk of being infected post-vaccination (more than 2 or 3 weeks after) and getting sick enough to be infectious, is very very low.
 
crankcall said:
I would be fine with a vaccination passport, I also see it coming as a condition of employment.

People agued years ago against the 'flu' vaccine , medical professionals saw it as optional, hospitals insisted staff get it and its now a requirement. You don't work in an Ontario hospital without it.

I can see workplaces putting a requirement in place for covid vaccinations, there will be inevitable deniers and protest,
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Yes, some workplaces will like the ones you mentioned. However, most workplaces will not be able to justify a bona fide reason why this is required. This has already been going around our industry and lawyers have chimed in.
Hospitals, LTCs, high-risk workplaces with vulnerable population, 100% allowed to mandate vaccinations.
 
Superveloce said:
it is theoretical that you can still spread the virus. Also the vaccine is not 100% effective so to me a negative test is way more valuable than somebody telling me they got the shot a week ago or a month ago.
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Tests can very easily be false-negative. Or spoofed, or done in a way to creatively ensure that it will come out negative.
 
Superveloce said:
it is theoretical that you can still spread the virus. Also the vaccine is not 100% effective so to me a negative test is way more valuable than somebody telling me they got the shot a week ago or a month ago.
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you can also be infected and test negative. There is a window where it hasn't replicated itself enough to show positive but it can rage later on. That was why the Oz quarantine was 14 days. Staying isolated during the window is the best chance to catch every case.
 
Brian P said:
Tests can very easily be false-negative. Or spoofed, or done in a way to creatively ensure that it will come out negative.
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Yes there is no perfect solution
 
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