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Elephant in the Covid room

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Yes, some workplaces will like the ones you mentioned. However, most workplaces will not be able to justify a bona fide reason why this is required. This has already been going around our industry and lawyers have chimed in.
Hospitals, LTCs, high-risk workplaces with vulnerable population, 100% allowed to mandate vaccinations.
Ontario played with the laws (theoretically temporarily) to allow workplaces to send workers home without pay if they don't follow the required covid regime. I think it would be possible for some employers to use this window to enforce vaccination of their current staff. Sure, it may not work forever but by the time the courts got to it, the employees would either be vaccinated or out of money.
 
Crossing the border based on tests means you're paying the cost of the tests and going through the aggravation and time of getting it done. Vaccine administered in your country of residence is free of charge. That alone will drive people who travel towards being vaccinated. But then comes the matter of proving that it's done.

Vaccine passports for international travel, whether it's called that or not, are going to happen. Yeah, perhaps testing will be accepted as an alternative, but it will be more aggravation and time to do it that way.

"vaccinated people can still carry and shed the virus" ... and people can still acquire infection in the non-zero time period between submitting a test sample and arriving at a border crossing. There is non-zero risk either way, but mounting evidence is that the risk of being infected post-vaccination (more than 2 or 3 weeks after) and getting sick enough to be infectious, is very very low.

I've had shots for travel (yellow fever, etc). simple yellow immunization card. visit to Colombia required it. Only issue I see is that they are probably easy to replicate/make.

the point of proof of vaccination again isn't to prevent people from bringing COVID, but to limit spread. vaccinated can carry and spread but much less likely, also very very low chance you would get sick and take up an ICU bed in the country visiting.
negative test guarantees neither of those things.
 
Ontario played with the laws (theoretically temporarily) to allow workplaces to send workers home without pay if they don't follow the required covid regime. I think it would be possible for some employers to use this window to enforce vaccination of their current staff. Sure, it may not work forever but by the time the courts got to it, the employees would either be vaccinated or out of money.
What would be your reason to send somehow home if all they are refusing is the vaccination? Masks are mandatory indoors and social distance isn't difficult, I do not see anyone refusing to do these.
 
If you are going to travel and worry about getting stuck in a foreign hospital I suggest you look into buying a Medjet membership.

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What would be your reason to send somehow home if all they are refusing is the vaccination? Masks are mandatory indoors and social distance isn't difficult, I do not see anyone refusing to do these.
I think the employer in that case would be extending the rules beyond the intent. They could make an argument that masks were necessary for a time but now there is a better solution available that is more effective and we have concerns about mask safety as it impedes communication. Or "our insurance premium goes up if we are unvaccinated". Or "our head office in japan requires employees to be vaccinated to protect visiting management". Or . . . I think most of the arguments would fall down in court but I also think the courts are so screwed up right now that they couldn't help employees. A union should be sufficient to protect the employees from this.
 
I can only speak for those that I encounter in my own travels.

The companies whose management knows that a shutdown due to covid19 would be extremely problematic, are doing everything they can to stop that happening.

And, one of my occasional customers is shut down, voluntarily, as we speak, because they had an outbreak in the plant.

The virus doesn't care if you are deemed "essential".
I had a customer with $100,000 machine sitting on the shipping dock but it couldn't be shipped because it was missing a $5.00 filter. Another customer was developing a new power supply, competing with others. The first one to market runs the show. Second place doesn't count. The development cost is in the millions. If a part shortage slows the development they might as well shut the doors.
 
I had a customer with $100,000 machine sitting on the shipping dock but it couldn't be shipped because it was missing a $5.00 filter. Another customer was developing a new power supply, competing with others. The first one to market runs the show. Second place doesn't count. The development cost is in the millions. If a part shortage slows the development they might as well shut the doors.
I think the intent is less to try to shut down places and more for them to see the big hammer waving over their heads to make sure they do everything possible to minimize spread (less staff, more ppe, more ventilation, etc). Hopefully the threat of the hammer is sufficient to limit outbreaks. As for other questionable companies (like ones that solely make amusement park fixtures) that is a huge fail by Douggie. Nobody wants to lose money but without a clear mandate as to what constitutes essential and a huge hammer, everyone stays open and running at full capacity.
 
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I have two acquaintances leaving this week , one flying to Texas to (work from home) , staying in a ABnB on the gulf coast for a month and has scheduled getting both vaccinations while he is there.
Other is flying into FLA with his girlfriend for 3 weeks , getting both shots they have prearranged and staying in his parents condo on Indian Shores

Vaccine tourism , its a thing now
 
I have two acquaintances leaving this week , one flying to Texas to (work from home) , staying in a ABnB on the gulf coast for a month and has scheduled getting both vaccinations while he is there.
Other is flying into FLA with his girlfriend for 3 weeks , getting both shots they have prearranged and staying in his parents condo on Indian Shores

Vaccine tourism , its a thing now
It has been for a long time. I think everyone I know in the US has either been vaccinated or had the opportunity to be. To SV's point, for many places, tourism is key so FL is happy to vaccinate canadians as they will spend way more than the shot cost.
 
Looks like ~800 for an individual and ~1200 for a family with most of the boxes checked.
Somewhere in that range. I haven’t renewed in the past 12 months for obvious reasons but as soon as I start travelling again I will sign up...EDIT: looks like less than that
 

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I have two acquaintances leaving this week , one flying to Texas to (work from home) , staying in a ABnB on the gulf coast for a month and has scheduled getting both vaccinations while he is there.
Other is flying into FLA with his girlfriend for 3 weeks , getting both shots they have prearranged and staying in his parents condo on Indian Shores

Vaccine tourism , its a thing now

Unless they’re under 40 or just don’t want AZ (or to wait for a few weeks to get something else) is that really necessary anymore? It seems like the next few weeks will see some pretty large numbers of appointments coming available.

Of course I see the appeal in just doing a YOLO trip anywhere right now, for any even remotely justifiable reason.
 
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Unless they’re under 40 or just don’t want AZ (or to wait for a few weeks to get something else) is that really necessary anymore? It seems like the next few weeks will see some pretty large numbers of appointments coming in.

Of course I see the appeal in just doing a YOLO trip anywhere right now, for any even remotely justifiable reason.
Those trips are getting them both shots at the tested interval. There is very little chance of that happening in Ontario.
 
Fair. Again, I see the appeal both from the vaccination thing and the “I just freakin’ want to go somewhere” aspect.

Quarantine when arriving home not much fun though. Nor cheap.
 
Fair. Again, I see the appeal both from the vaccination thing and the “I just freakin’ want to go somewhere” aspect.

Quarantine when arriving home not much fun though. Nor cheap.
Hotel quarantine is easy to beat, just don't fly into canada. Fly to NF NY and uber home.

Douggie provincial border closure is already collapsing. Ottawa police have said they are not going to be enforcing it 24/7. Airplanes are federal so anyone can fly over the border and Douggie can do nothing about that.
 
Hotel quarantine is easy to beat, just don't fly into canada. Fly to NF NY and uber home.

Douggie provincial border closure is already collapsing. Ottawa police have said they are not going to be enforcing it 24/7. Airplanes are federal so anyone can fly over the border and Douggie can do nothing about that.
Or if you walk across the border into Ontario from the US you avoid quarantine I know a couple people that have done it I don’t know why the rules allow it but that’s the way you can avoid quarantine. Fly to Buffalo, walk across the border and have someone pick you up on the other side
 
Or if you walk across the border into Ontario from the US you avoid quarantine I know a couple people that have done it I don’t know why the rules allow it but that’s the way you can avoid quarantine. Fly to Buffalo, walk across the border and have someone pick you up on the other side
The obvious answer is JT is an idiot. Politicians at all levels need to stop playing whack-a-mole and setting restrictions based on method of travel/type of activity etc and just set blanket rules. E.g. If you enter Canada and you are not driving a commercial vehicle (or working on a plane) off to quarantine you go. Don't single out golf or tennis, just state that you must maintain x distance from others or risk the fine.
 
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