Just wanna add that the small sample size of friends I have all abused CERB lol (age 20 to 40)
A lot bought new PCs or invested into stocks (one guy flipped GME pretty well.)
No moral judgment from me. Just saying <.<
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Elephant in the Covid room
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Just wanna add that the small sample size of friends I have all abused CERB lol (age 20 to 40)
A lot bought new PCs or invested into stocks (one guy flipped GME pretty well.)
No moral judgment from me. Just saying <.<
As they obviously didn't bother with any great security around vaccine receipts I am inclined to believe that vaccine passports may either be marked into your physical passport (so it would be a federal offence to create/alter the mark) or similarly , huge hammer for falsifying (maybe as simple as cancelling your canadian passport and making you ineligible for five years. Constitution says we have to let you out, it doesn't say anyone else has to let you in without the required travel documents you don't have.
I'd be down for this but we're too pro privacy to the point where it's detrimental.
Also I know our government software systems are not built very well; in theory they could easily have every health care service throw an API call to flag the person if they are COVID positive, which would trigger a stream of alerts tied to that person's license, sin, health card, etc.
We haven't done the above because our systems are not very well designed
Ignoring the fact that people would probably kill the government if they did the above.
They gotta do something otherwise world travel wont really be a thing much anymore. Too many countries won't be willing to take the risk of Joe "Mah rights & freedumbs" Covid waltzing in under some fake vaccination documents or "religious exemptions" and sending their country back into a crippling outbreak again.
We just haven't reached the point where the dust has settled enough around the world for these discussions to happen yet. They will.
We just haven't reached the point where the dust has settled enough around the world for these discussions to happen yet. They will.
Microchips are the answer...put them into the second dose...wait what....oh nevermind. Sorry Bill told me to say that...
There will never be vaccination passports for you to travel. Let’s assume in Europe Italy starts doing that, everyone will just go to Greece or Spain or somewhere else that doesn’t have that restriction. Let’s assume for winter travel Jamaica insists on vaccinations, Dominican republic or Cuba or Mexico will say come here we don’t care. No one is going to cut off the tourist dollars for a vaccination passport unless the whole world agrees to it which will never happen.Because money talks and BS walks as we know. Also as soon as the rich western countries try putting a vaccination passport in place everyone will scream racism, marginalized people, poor people, are all being hurt by you rich western people. Or something like that. And right now there are thousands of Indians landing every day in Toronto from India that has obviously a terrible outbreak. If they aren’t stopping these people now and or asking for proof of vaccination why would they do it in the future when things get better
It may start with cruise ships. They won't survive many outbreaks and becoming floating morgues before those monsters change their ways or get scrapped.
Many People who go on cruise ships are pretty gross anyway ,they accept that they are travelling on a floating diarrhea, garbage ,bacteria palace that has legionnaires disease, Norwalk virus and everything else..... see below they are selling out future cruises like crazy.....No way do they shoot themselves in the foot at this point.
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I agree with @Superveloce in that people will travel to where the passports aren't needed.
However...the airlines can start putting in the requirements and control the travel in that way. No vaccine, sorry you can't get on our flight because we'll get sued for getting someone else sick/killed/hospitalized.
If the borders close up, there are other ways to control this. Plus...if Italy puts in a passport requirement...that means all of the EU has a vaccine passport requirement.
As for the planes coming in from hot spots to Canada....ridiculous. Total and utter failure by Canada to stop this.
You, Mr. Greece, want money from the world wide bank? No problem...implement a vaccine passport requirement.
There are ways...someone just has to implement / enforce it.
However...the airlines can start putting in the requirements and control the travel in that way. No vaccine, sorry you can't get on our flight because we'll get sued for getting someone else sick/killed/hospitalized.
If the borders close up, there are other ways to control this. Plus...if Italy puts in a passport requirement...that means all of the EU has a vaccine passport requirement.
As for the planes coming in from hot spots to Canada....ridiculous. Total and utter failure by Canada to stop this.
You, Mr. Greece, want money from the world wide bank? No problem...implement a vaccine passport requirement.
There are ways...someone just has to implement / enforce it.
Except like I said if every Country and airline on the planet doesn’t put the passport in place some country/airline will say ,come give us your money and the people will go there.
When it comes to money you will not get every country and every airline to agree to restrictions. Especially second and third world countries that rely on travel
Agreed. The interesting ones will be the big money islands. Does St Barts do it to protect their elite clientele or do they not do it to cater to their elite clientele who don't believe in such things?
It’s mostly the European and North American countries that put a super high value on health over money. Second and third world countries are more realistic about people dying and people getting sick and they don’t have governments to hand them money to sit at home and watch Netflix like we do so they need to earn in order to not starve. They are far more practical about life and death then the modern world is.
Any place that throws caution to the wind with an endemic communicable disease that's kinda spent the last 12 months showing us it can destroy economies is just asking for it.
Vaccine passports (or drastically increased restrictions, whatever one wants to call it, it's all captious at this point) is going to be inevitable.
Vaccine passports (or drastically increased restrictions, whatever one wants to call it, it's all captious at this point) is going to be inevitable.
If the biggest economy in the world isn’t doing it, pretty much no one is going to do it.
White House rules out a U.S. vaccine 'passport'
The White House on Tuesday ruled out imposing any form of a coronavirus vaccine passport in the United States, but said private businesses were free to explore the idea.
www.ctvnews.ca
Resistance from health experts and business owners could doom ‘vaccine passports’ even before they launch
Another roadblock for “vaccine passports”: Many businesses don’t want to enforce them, and even some public health advocates don’t like the precedent they’d set.
www.statnews.com
amen.
X3. I'll go to the places that I can have faith in not being a plague vector.
Just like businesses that try to ban vaccinated people (there's one in Ontario somewhere as well but couldn't find the story) it's a big red flashing beacon for me to take my money elsewhere. Anti-science nonsense factor 10.
Just like businesses that try to ban vaccinated people (there's one in Ontario somewhere as well but couldn't find the story) it's a big red flashing beacon for me to take my money elsewhere. Anti-science nonsense factor 10.
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PRESS RELEASE April 20, 2021 – The Seafarers’ International Union of Canada (SIU) is demanding a meeting with the federal Minister of Health and an immediate action plan to vaccinate Canadian seafarers’ against COVID-19 or risk a total stoppage to the Canadian shipping industry. After countless...
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Same here.
Fairly likely to happen in the EU: EU Vaccine Chief Says Vaccine Passports to Be Launched in June, Unveils Document Prototype - SchengenVisaInfo.com
Australia and New Zealand, after the trouble they've taken to keep infection out of their respective countries, are sure to do something of this sort as well.
Want to go on a cruise? Every Cruise Line Requiring Passengers to Be Vaccinated Before Boarding
Even without that ... any cruise ship passenger that wants to set foot in foreign territory that has a proof-of-vaccination requirement is going to need that documentation anyhow.
Australia already has an "electronic travel authorisation" requirement to be attached to your passport, and the EU was in the process of going that route before covid19 started ... it would not be too hard to add the proof-of-vaccination requirement to the ETA background checks. No ETA? No entry into the country. It remains to be seen how people outside the EU, Australia, or New Zealand will be able to obtain this document ... you might have to authorise the external agency to access our government's records of who has been vaccinated. I don't know how that's going to work for Americans.
Perhaps the US and Canadian governments don't want to do this for political reasons, but they are going to be dragged into it kicking and screaming whether they want it or not. Might not be an internal requirement, but anyone who wants to travel is going to need something.
As for the fake documentation that is already available online ... That won't stand up to scrutiny, and people have already been charged as a result of travelling with fake test certificates. If someone manages to obtain entry to a country based on a fake document, and are subsequently found to be infected, there's going to be hell to pay. I doubt if travel insurance companies will cover the consequences of doing that ...
Speaking of travel insurance, that's another way this proof-of-vaccination could end up being required. Not vaccinated? No travel insurance for you. Bogus certificate? Yeah right. Manage to find a way through and you end up sick (or jailed) in a foreign country? Sweet. Your travel insurance is void on the grounds of falsified documentation.
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