PP - are you suggesting that we should listen to our Public Health officials? They might actually know a thing or two about this stuff and maybe, just maybe they aren't out to take our freedumbs? /also sarcasm
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Elephant in the Covid room
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What are his options? Theoretically, passengers are supposed to be on official transports from the airport to the quarantine hotels. Could ford put roadblocks around quarantine hotels? If he could, then what? Yet another program that JT implemented in an appalling manner. I'm starting to believe he isn't even cut out to be a good drama teacher.
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I agree that treatment of the current incoming flights is stupid beyond belief and JT has a lot of unnecessary blood on his hands (just do effective 14 day quarantine for $2000, that has been proven effective).
If douggie roadblocks the airport, as with the hotels, then what? A car pulls up and police ask for drivers license and registration. Do they have any authority to ask for passport? What if person in car says they are an employee, do police have authority to ask for employee ID and contact at their company to confirm they were just working and not on vacation? If someone admits to being on vacation, does douggie have the authority to quarantine them (or turn them around back onto federal lands)?
And then they cancel the ticket. Bleeping embarrassing.
You have to draw the line somewhere.
I can only speak for those that I encounter in my own travels.
The companies whose management knows that a shutdown due to covid19 would be extremely problematic, are doing everything they can to stop that happening.
And, one of my occasional customers is shut down, voluntarily, as we speak, because they had an outbreak in the plant.
The virus doesn't care if you are deemed "essential".
Mike Stafford on AM640 had a prof on from Oxford on Friday. She said it's been proven that covid can infect people in hotel rooms adjacent to quarantine rooms. Simply having people quarantine may not be enough, depending on how the air is circulated.
On the upside, the infection should be confined to international travellers. The quarantine at home crap is completely useless with rampant cheating.
Air should not circulate into a corridor from a room. Corridors are normally positive pressure, air goes under the doors into the rooms and then leaks out/exhausts from there. If you open a window or exterior door in the room and it is windy, you can probably reverse the flow.
Thanks for the link. At this point, I think science is generally in agreement that airborne transmission is the dominant vector. Covid room setups using HEPA filters to create negative pressure and dump the filtered air outside are a common setup. My comments apply to typical Canadian hotel construction and ventilation. I do not know if UK hotels have similar construction/ventilation.
To be clear, I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm saying it's incredibly unlikely in Canadian hotels to transfer that way.
I know for a fact that many people have travelled internationally and during their quarantine period have been in the community. Honestly, does anyone really believe that someone that decided to travel internationally during a pandemic will stay at home for two weeks? Even if they stay at home, the rules are BS. My SIL came back from the US into her semi with her family and she "quarantined" for two weeks while her kids went to school every day. Allowed by the rules.
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If it truly transmitted that way, then shouldn't the number of cases in schools be alot higher?...in my elementary school of about 750, we've had about 8 cases in total...now granted, I am in a newer school built in 2014, however our windows only tilt out from he bottom about 2-3 inches...
I have no doubt it is theoretically possible to transmit that way but I suspect you need the infected room under substantial positive pressure and the infectee room under substantial negative pressure to move sufficient air (and virus) out of one room, across or down the hall and into another room. It could happen with sliding doors open in rooms on both sides of a building (I've seen quarantine rooms in Oz with balconies, not sure if Toronto ones have them or not). With typical sealed hotel rooms (or small hopper/awning windows) I doubt it happens. If anyone is concerned, touch off a stink bomb or wear heavy perfume and see where you can smell it.
How is the world at record cases when for the last few months vaccines have been rolling out and restrictions have been tighter than the previous months before . Conspiracy theorists are saying the vaccine is either giving people COVID or is making it easier for them to get it in the short term. Whatever the reason it makes no sense. People better start accepting that this isnt going away and regardless of deaths we need to get back to real life sooner rather than later. The money and sit at home machine can’t last much longer
www.cnn.com
Covid-19 deaths are accelerating, WHO warns, as world records most cases ever in a single week
Covid-19 infections have been rising at an alarming rate for eight consecutive weeks, the World Health Organization (WHO) has warned, as the virus sweeps unabated through hotspots in several corners of the globe.
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Have you found a study yet where someone with a vaccine plus two weeks has ended up in hospital? I haven't.how is the world at record cases when for the last few months vaccines have been rolling out and restrictions have been tighter than the previous months before . Conspiracy theorists are saying the vaccine is either giving people COVID or is making it easier for them to get it in the short term. Whatever the reason it makes no sense. People better start accepting that this isnt going away and regardless of deaths we need to get back to real life sooner rather than later. The money and sit at home machine can’t last much longer
Covid-19 deaths are accelerating, WHO warns, as world records most cases ever in a single week
Covid-19 infections have been rising at an alarming rate for eight consecutive weeks, the World Health Organization (WHO) has warned, as the virus sweeps unabated through hotspots in several corners of the globe.
There is no possible way that any of vaccines can give you covid. That is complete fear mongering garbage. There is no virus in them. Not even deactivated virus.
Could it make you more susceptible in the window between vaccination and two weeks out? I don't know. I'd be inclined to believe no but don't have enough information either way.
People need to stop thinking of covid as a single disease. The variants are wildly different in their ease of transmission, populations that get sick and impact on those populations. It is a race between vaccinations and variants. Now, some countries (typically poor countries) are not vaccinating much at all. We may be able to look back and see how that worked out. I doubt those countries have the resources for accurate real-time reporting.
How long does it take the vaccine to kick in? I’m sure people are more lax once they get the shot and immediately let go of their defences. I sure want to think I can meet up with friends tonight and I’m feeling lightheaded still....had the shot less than an hour ago.
Shot plus two weeks gets you most of the way there statistically. It looks like each day up to that point you get better. As to SV point, I don't know if anyone has identified a dip early (eg is shot plus two days more vulnerable than pre-shot).
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