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Elephant in the Covid room
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In 2013 I had a pulmonary embolism, a blood clot that went to the lungs. If it went to the heart it would have been a heart attack, to the brain, a stroke.
If you want to know the details, here goes.
I remember coughing at night and waking feeling crappy but I needed data to complete a report. So off I went downtown TO.
By noon, feeling worse, I had enough info so headed home. I drove right by a site that had an outstanding service request. I could have stopped for ten minutes and made another couple hundred dollars but I was feeling worse by the hour.
I got home and started feeling a pain in my right side like the one you get when you first take up running, runners stitch.
I chilled out in the rec room until my wife got home and then told her no supper for me, I'm lying down in the bedroom.
About 8:00 I asked her to call an ambulance as I could barely breathe. When your lungs collapse it isn't like a balloon deflating. There is mucus and crap that sticks the sides together and it's like pulling off a bandage inside your lungs.
Fire department arrived first and babysat until the ambulance came shortly after. Ambulance put me on oxygen. Fire had offered but I was being macho.
At the hospital it was busy and the ambulance crew asked if I would be OK if they signed me in without the oxygen hook up and I said yes. They can't leave and do another call unless there is a transfer of care.
The only snag was that I was still having trouble breathing and when my wife went to the admissions desk to see about getting things moving she got a blast from the b**** who was busy chatting about her party plans for the coming weekend.
Things progress and a techie was called in to give me a CAT scan and I was back on oxygen. There was a brief discussion about a clot buster but a clot buster can dump a bunch of crap at once and cause more problems. A slow dissolving of the clot is better, depending on conditions. Heart and stroke may be quite different.
I got a really nice room, pain killers and IIRC blood thinners. Friday and Saturday a walk to the toilet had me winded but Sunday was better. I was released Monday AM with instructions to check with my GP.
Tuesday I saw my GP. His office is on the third floor of a clinic and I took the stairs three at a time.
My point is this: I have walked the walk. I got Pfizer shot #1 on April 10th. If I could have gotten an Astra Zenica shot a day earlier I would have taken it.
What has happened to Canadians? My uncles went ashore on D Day. Did they calculate the odds of getting a blood clot? How about there head being blown off or their guts shot out? They went because it was the right thing to do.
People blather on about risks of a clot. Think about being in a landing craft just before the ramp drops open and you can hear machine gun rounds pinging off the ramp door. Who's first out? Not me, I haven't finished my latte.
Have we turned into a bunch of chicken *****?
If we didn't pander to sensational headlines the news would get a clue.
^ Excellent personal perspective - many thanks. Another factor here is that now that we "know" that there is a risk of blood-clotting happening, we know what symptoms to look out for, and the good folks in the health-care system know what to do in response to it - and that should mitigate the small risk that exists.
my pleasure.
You say that like it’s a good thing, what if you’re the one chosen to die because of the new triage crap.
You're not understanding the probabilities.
The probability that you end up needing that ICU space because you DIDN'T get vaccinated, is higher (by a lot) than the probability that you need that ICU space BECAUSE you got vaccinated.
Even if we limit the discussion to just blood-clotting ... the probability that you need that ICU space because of a covid-19-induced blood clot, is higher (by a lot) than the probability that you need that ICU space because of a vaccine-induced blood clot!
You, individually, are better off vaccinated, and the collective "we" are all better off vaccinated.
That’s a bit harsh. Do you know how heartbreaking it must be for someone who has chosen a career to help people to be put in a situation where they have to make that choice? This is why if you don’t listen to anyone else, at least listen to the people on the frontlines begging others to follow the rules.
This is the part that I don't understand. Do the "deniers" or nay-sayers really think that these medical professionals are lying or in cahoots with some master conspiracy? That's rhetorical, btw. ;-)
I’m not a so called naysayer, but I’m a realist.
If it was one of yours that got sick from a shot and you had to make that choice.
What would you do?
There are no guarantees in medicine.
When my wife fell in 17 and was rushed to the neuro surgical unit in Hamilton, the first question the doctors asked me was "do you want us to resusitate if it becomes a question?"
Anything can go wrong at anytime.
When my wife fell in 17 and was rushed to the neuro surgical unit in Hamilton, the first question the doctors asked me was "do you want us to resusitate if it becomes a question?"
Anything can go wrong at anytime.
ifiddles
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it's long, it's an opinion piece, but it's written by someone at TVO (owned by the government) and has some good points...
My dad didn't need convincing to get the shot (70 this year), but i'd be convincing him to do so AZ or otherwise if he hadn't already made the decision. It's the best chance he has to avoid the worst of COVID if he gets infected, period. Not getting a shot is giving yourself no chance.
Robbo
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I took the AZ shot knowing the risk.
I also took the time to educate myself of the possible signs/symptoms that blood clots could be developing (including the timeframe when this might happen).
I’m prepared.
I also know that the medical authorities now know how to administer the correct treatment.
The odds are heavily in my favour for a positive outcome.
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I also took the time to educate myself of the possible signs/symptoms that blood clots could be developing (including the timeframe when this might happen).
I’m prepared.
I also know that the medical authorities now know how to administer the correct treatment.
The odds are heavily in my favour for a positive outcome.
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I don't know about anywhere else, but that was all gone over in great detail along with what to do if it does happen before I got the shot @ Shoppers
Yes the questionnaire was very detailed when we got ours.
Ok but...there’s at least 44,000 deaths every year from prescription drugs in the US alone. Compare that to what...8 deaths in 8 million and 79 cases in the UK for the vaccine.
No death is good and no incident that leaves you very ill is good either but the vaccine linked cases are really quite small and smaller still for males.
I wish that would happen, but wow, it's absolutely gutting to see people online still spewing things like "It's all fake" and "This is a lie, the hospitals are empty!" and other such nonsense. They walk amongst us and you needn't go further than a few of the Ontario motorcycle related FB pages to find them.
I'm not usually one to wish Karma on people in a life or death kinda way, but it's hard to keep your thoughts above the water when confronted with this sort of utter garbage. You just know that if/when we get to the point where the 70% triage thing becomes reality there will STILL be jerks out there running around denying things, running through grocery stores with no masks on, going to protests, etc. It's literally spitting in the face of our doctors and nurses.
The questionnaire was standard fare legalese, I thought. Not much outside of yes, there are possible side effects. The person giving the shot went over the side effects and what to do if you have them personally before administering it.
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