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Unfortunately, with #2 it's been proven time and time again through the last year that some of these businesses can't be trusted to do the right thing...so they're given an inch, but some take a mile. It was just a few weeks ago they were discussing on 680 news that a nail salon or something was the source of a massive Covid outbreak and it turned out during the investigation that they didn't even have the required customer tracking documents that these sorts of places were supposed to be keeping, nor had they been following many/most of the guidelines either.

Sadly, the ones that are legitimately working hard and within the rules to allow themselves to keep the doors open have to pay the price for the stupid ones who can't be bothered.

So, they all get hammered in the situation we're in now, including the ones that were playing within (or working to go beyond, even) the rules.

#1, 2, and 4, I agree wholeheartedly. On the topic of the strict age-only vaccination requirements that has however shifted in the last few weeks to something similar to what you're suggesting.
 
ifiddles said:
@PrivatePilot so those businesses that don't comply, shut them down...no ifs, ands or buts...that's it...you're closed for xnumber of days/weeks/months...then maybe they'll comply...
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If only there was enough inspectors, I agree. But there’s 0.0% chance of there ever being enough enforcement for that to be successful in the end. For every 1 shop they catch and close there’s potentially 250 others hosting super-spreader venues that will never see an inspector darken their door.

Next time you go to a restaurant take a look at the date of the last inspection on their green card thing they’re supposed to display at the entrance. Some places haven’t been inspected in years. And that’s just restaurants.
 
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ifiddles said:
how about a combination of things: (and I'm sure most on here will disagree with me, but the longer this goes, the more I'm changing my mind about things)

1. vaccinate people who cannot work from home immediately...once the LTC (staff/residents) and health care workers were done, they should've started on this segment instead of seniors over 60 who sit at home and don't go to work (think of the meme floating around right now of a 55 year old man, WFH, gets vaccinated vs the 35 year old man, working in a factory who is ineligible)
2. keep numbers low for stores (ie: 25% of capacity) but allow the smaller businesses to reopen (why can't a hair salon have 1-2 clients instead of 5-6? as an example) and keep curb side pickup going
3. outdoor activities should be kept open, but again, put a limit (ie: only so many groups on a golf course at once and stagger their start time by a larger amount)
4. give paid sick days to those who don't have any so that in the event that they are sick and need to stay home, they can do so

suicides, depression, abuse (spousal/child), opioid/drug abuse, alcoholism (as we've seen on the other thread), etc. are all on the rise, however no one is talking about these things...the mortality rate for Covid is 2% and in one way, I'm of the mind that people should be allowed to live a 'normal' life and those that are at risk, can stay home

sorry, just ranting...sick and tired of all this b.s....
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there's already a federal benefit for missing work due to covid.

Canada Recovery Sickness Benefit (CRSB) - Canada.ca

The Canada Recovery Sickness Benefit (CRSB) is now closed. Learn about eligibility, past payment dates, verifying eligibility and if you need to repay a CRSB payment.
www.canada.ca www.canada.ca
 
Roadghost said:
Once again Canadians have to go to foreign news services to get the truth about Trudeau.

www.express.co.uk

Canada Covid horror: Anger at Trudeau as variant ‘out of control'

CANADIAN Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is under growing pressure over the continued surge in coronavirus cases, as a leading epidemiologist said he warned Covid-19 was "already burning out of control".
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk
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A doctor was quoted as saying the ICU beds in Ontario are filling with 30, 40 and 50 year old patients. I somehow doubt the implication.

If you go over my posts you will know I have no use for JT. He should have stayed a drama teacher.

I don't think he is making policies but rather following a party team. The next question is who is pulling the strings of the policy team?

Would the Americans tolerate a full lockdown by Canada? Think of all the auto parts and other resources and the effect on their output.

Let's be honest, we don't have a lot to bluff with.
 
ifiddles said:
how about a combination of things: (and I'm sure most on here will disagree with me, but the longer this goes, the more I'm changing my mind about things)

1. vaccinate people who cannot work from home immediately...once the LTC (staff/residents) and health care workers were done, they should've started on this segment instead of seniors over 60 who sit at home and don't go to work (think of the meme floating around right now of a 55 year old man, WFH, gets vaccinated vs the 35 year old man, working in a factory who is ineligible)
2. keep numbers low for stores (ie: 25% of capacity) but allow the smaller businesses to reopen (why can't a hair salon have 1-2 clients instead of 5-6? as an example) and keep curb side pickup going
3. outdoor activities should be kept open, but again, put a limit (ie: only so many groups on a golf course at once and stagger their start time by a larger amount)
4. give paid sick days to those who don't have any so that in the event that they are sick and need to stay home, they can do so

suicides, depression, abuse (spousal/child), opioid/drug abuse, alcoholism (as we've seen on the other thread), etc. are all on the rise, however no one is talking about these things...the mortality rate for Covid is 2% and in one way, I'm of the mind that people should be allowed to live a 'normal' life and those that are at risk, can stay home

sorry, just ranting...sick and tired of all this b.s....
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I'm all for #1 but we have found that with 2 and 3 people abuse privileges.

BTW I was thinking of your situation with teaching on line and the problems.

I've been learning to bake by reading and watching YouTube videos and some things are not working out well. I can't help but feel if I was in a brick and mortar class the instructor would watch me and say "You've over mixed / under mixed, too hot, too cold, here's a little trick etc. I have re-invented wheels that didn't need to be re-invented.

Part 2 is that each student will come out a bit different which could be good but could also make later teamwork difficult.
 
ifiddles said:
@PrivatePilot so those businesses that don't comply, shut them down...no ifs, ands or buts...that's it...you're closed for xnumber of days/weeks/months...then maybe they'll comply...
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As PP says there aren't enough inspectors. I watched a panel discussion on that industry and they are desperate. One barber was paying $10,000 a month rent and was seven months behind. Another was similar and just had her car repossessed. Many of the loans they used for start up would have been personal from family and friends. That gets ugly and personal. Restaurants at least have takeout but I don't know how much bleeding that stops.
 
^^ There's a lot of cause for concern I think. The number of people whos professional lives and income are being negatively impacted by Covid restrictions. Things seem out of kilter. Some people are going bankrupt or leveraged to the hilt while others are out bidding each other for million dollar homes. The stock markets are at record levels while government spending is also at record levels creating unimaginable deficits. What the hell is going on here and when will some economic seam burst? Are we in uncharted waters?
 
PrivatePilot said:
Have you had Polio, Measles Mumps, or Rubella? No? Didn't think so. Yeah, they're still around, but vaccinations have pretty much eliminated them despite the fact I'm sure you will want to debate the minutiae of such.



So we come full circle again to my question you still dance around and refuse to answer. Which of the 2 do you propose?

#1 - Give up, reopen everything and "Get back to normal" and let the hospital system collapse.

Or...

#2 - Let people who contract covid suffocate to death at home to not cause the hospital system to collapse.

A simple #1 or #2 answer will suffice.



We're GETTING it done. It's not a matter of if....it's happening in front of our eyes.
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1 and 2 because your question is not Reasonable. These are not the only choices. I gave other options many posts ago;
 
Superveloce said:
1 and 2 because your question is not Reasonable. These are not the only choices. I gave other options many posts ago;
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You don't seem to find very much to your taste here at GTAM.
Why are you here? Serious question.
 
Wingboy said:
You don't seem to find very much to your taste here at GTAM.
Why are you here? Serious question.
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To my taste ? What does that even mean? Did I miss the veal special ? I’m here out of boredom like the rest of you. Why are you here ?
 
Superveloce said:
1 and 2 because your question is not Reasonable. These are not the only choices. I gave other options many posts ago;
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Thats another non-answer.

Its not my question that’s unreasonable, it’s your views on “alternatives” that are either unreasonable or impossible. As mentioned, we can put beds in a tent in a hospital parking lot, but we can’t pull thousands more doctors and nurses out of our ***** to staff them, and the ones we have are already at the edge of collapse themselves.

So in your “alternatives”, the hospital system collapses either way. And when people like you who are so smug that you never think you might need a hospital one day end up there for whatever reason, well, you get to bleed to death in the parking lot or whatever.
 
PrivatePilot said:
Thats another non-answer.

Its not my question that’s unreasonable, it’s your views on “alternatives” that are either unreasonable or impossible. As mentioned, we can put beds in a tent in a parking lot, but we can’t pull thousands more doctors and nurses out of our ***** to staff them.

So in your “alternatives”, the hospital system collapses either way. And when people like you who are so smug that you never think you might need a hospital one day end up there for whatever reason, well, you get to bleed to death in the parking lot or whatever.
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you want to keep doing the same that’s fine. I’m saying it’s not working clearly so try another way. You seem to think your way is the only way. I know Canadians hate change or different ideas but it might be time to try one.
 
Superveloce said:
To my taste ? What does that even mean? Did I miss the veal special ? I’m here out of boredom like the rest of you. Why are you here ?
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Let me put it this way. Maybe you can actually answer.
What do you like about GTAM?
what do you dislike about it?

Myself. I like the diversity of people.
 
Superveloce said:
I’m saying it’s not working clearly so try another way.
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Lockdowns have been proven to work twice now in the province of Ontario, but in the face of your inability to believe and/or register that despite facts and data proving such, what do you propose?
 
PrivatePilot said:
Lockdowns have been proven to work twice now in the province of Ontario, but in the face of your inability to believe and/or register that despite facts and data proving such, what do you propose?
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Sure if your definition of proven is we are in a worse situation 14 months later . Are you in a union or something ? You seem to really like lockdowns so I’m assuming you don’t employ people or run a business.
I propose expanding capacity
,calling in all retired nurses doctors and medical students to help
maybe all those Uber drivers who claim to be doctors from the old country can step up too
,make the vulnerable stay home
,keep some restrictions on capacity at business
,mask up wash up and live your life

now it’s your turn to say I didnt answer again
 
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Wingboy said:
Let me put it this way. Maybe you can actually answer.
What do you like about GTAM?
what do you dislike about it?

Myself. I like the diversity of people.
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it’s pretty obvious I’m here to entertain and give purpose to Privatepilot and others.
I like that
i dislike the fact that I can’t be on here more to improve the lives of people
 
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