I know there are such cases out there, because I often see them posted up in these threads. But Im not going to bother, because Im not advocating anything here nor do I think gun laws result in crime rate increase/decreases.
Eaton Center shooting
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I know there are such cases out there, because I often see them posted up in these threads. But Im not going to bother, because Im not advocating anything here nor do I think gun laws result in crime rate increase/decreases.
~~~~~~~~~Of course it is fully expected that this topic would/will descend into a firearms debate...
More gun control will do nothing to stop this. Registering long guns does nothing to stop this. Making hand guns easier to get will do nothing to stop this. Pretty much sums it up. There are no easy answers.
Me personally I would like to see tougher laws regarding an illegal firearms, even more if the firearm is illegal and discharged or used for a crime discharged or not (say min 10 to 20 years), even more if in a public place (life). It will do nothing to stop this but it will make me feel better. No age restrictions BTW and very well outlined in grade school so the future gangstas know.
More gun control will do nothing to stop this. Registering long guns does nothing to stop this. Making hand guns easier to get will do nothing to stop this. Pretty much sums it up. There are no easy answers.
Me personally I would like to see tougher laws regarding an illegal firearms, even more if the firearm is illegal and discharged or used for a crime discharged or not (say min 10 to 20 years), even more if in a public place (life). It will do nothing to stop this but it will make me feel better. No age restrictions BTW and very well outlined in grade school so the future gangstas know.
Green Machine
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I really think that ALL of the gang affiliates from both sides should be arrested and charged with conspiracy to commit murder, not just the shooters.
Let's clean this city up!
Let's clean this city up!
What? What the hell are you pulling your facts out of? Two unarmed bystanders tackled the shooter in Tuscon.
"The suspected gunman was identified by police as 22-year-old Jared Lee Loughner. Police say the shooter may not have acted alone, and witnesses said he fired at close range with a semiautomatic pistol and was preparing to reload when two onlookers tackled him."
6 Die in Tuscon Rampage
I'm not losing sleep over one cornrowed drug dealer shooting another cornrowed drug dealer. To me, it's a public service.
I don't have anything to back up my post here, just having thoughts... If society was allowed to carry a firearm, either open carry or concealed, would it not make "johnny gangster" think twice before lighting up a crowd at a mall? Especially if we were allowed to carry concealed so a carrier could not be ID'd.
Right now criminals know that the only people carrying guns are law enforcement and other criminals, but if they had to consider that there might be one or two or more good samaritans in a crowd of thousands of people that might shoot back then maybe they would reconsider drawing a gun.
Right now criminals know that the only people carrying guns are law enforcement and other criminals, but if they had to consider that there might be one or two or more good samaritans in a crowd of thousands of people that might shoot back then maybe they would reconsider drawing a gun.
No one thinks about this before pulling a gun which is why harsh jail sentences dont work either. Look at the huge murder rate in the states if you want to see what carying guns does for society. More guns just leads to more you ****** me off now I will shoot you BS. How often do you hear about neighbors shooting it out in Canada, now compare that to the US.
invictus43
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I've always thought that guns were incidental. I've always hated the us vs. them mentality of the gun control sides. I don't really think it would make much difference one way or the other. The issues are societal, not based on preferred weapon I don't think.
I think where the logic fails is when half a dozen people start shooting at the original gunman and hitting other innocent people, and then of course shooting at each other thinking they were part of the original "gang"
Nothing good would come of it in a crowded mall. It may work if it was more in the open and they were shooting at a politician because it is clear what is going on. Food court my guess is it will not be clear.
Although I am in favour of steep penalties I agree they are not a good deterrent. The likely hood of getting caught is a much better deterrent than the penalty. If for example there was a 99.9% effective magical method of instantly getting a $20 fine and the gun getting seized the first time you touched the illegal gun there would be no illegal guns. Compared to steep jail time if you get caught with little likelihood you will get caught.... The real world answer is somewhere in the middle.
Stricter laws may be a deterrent if they actually enforced them and didn't let these idiots plea bargain out of everything. How many criminals commit firearm offences when they are already under a lifetime weapons ban? Look at that *** hat that killed the girl at that bar a few years ago, I think it was the duke or something. He should have been behind bars at the time of that murder, and yet he was out after 2 years and the first thing he did was get a handgun.
Ccw would just create new problems, and most people don't have the stones to shoot someone anyways. I say they build an eco friendly electric chair powered by a dozen cyclists that makes criminals wish they had just shot themselves.
Ccw would just create new problems, and most people don't have the stones to shoot someone anyways. I say they build an eco friendly electric chair powered by a dozen cyclists that makes criminals wish they had just shot themselves.
daught
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I meant to say that no armed bystanders shot the guy. Every time there's a gun argument, people say bystanders will pull out their gun and save the day. I just can't find an example where a bystander used his firearm to save the day.
+1
not convinced that what we need here is american-style gun laws. gang-bangers down south are not in the least dissuaded by the idea that their targets (or others) are strapped. i think they come to the party expecting return fire.
LoL you should stop playing so much grand theft auto and get out more...
You should watch the nightly news more often. And I'm not a gamer.
was the gunmen directly shooting at bystanders or just shooting upwards/anywhere in the air to create a commotion so that he can make his escape within the hordes of people trying to exit the mall?
What I can't figure out is why the police won't release this guys image. The police supposedly know who the shooter is. If they'd release it within minutes after the shooting after viewing surveillance videos someone may have spotted him.
What I can't figure out is why the police won't release this guys image. The police supposedly know who the shooter is. If they'd release it within minutes after the shooting after viewing surveillance videos someone may have spotted him.
OpenGambit
Banned
pretty sure if everyone in the mall had a gun, all that would happen is that more bystanders would have gotten shot...
No way this would have been prevented by more ppl having guns.
No way this would have been prevented by more ppl having guns.
Cops made an arrest this morn just after 7:00am.
