When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will own guns
Eaton Center shooting
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When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will own guns
block is hot eatons aint safe dawg
cp24: "we got the chance to talk to a father and he said that his daughter may have witnessed the shooting. The kid later told her parents that 'fireworks are supposed to be in the sky, not in people'" lol give me a break cp24
cp24: "we got the chance to talk to a father and he said that his daughter may have witnessed the shooting. The kid later told her parents that 'fireworks are supposed to be in the sky, not in people'" lol give me a break cp24
daught
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The argument that if everyone had guns someone would stop the shooter is interesting. Does anyone have some info, statistics or at least cases where citizens stop criminals? It just seems that with all the arguments in the world for guns I heard at the end of the day there's a lot more gun crime in the US than Canada.
I am willing to bet that a lot more schetchy people carry guns in the US than in Canada. In Canada you have to be a serious criminal to get a gun. In US just about everyone has one. The chance of a gun coming out in the heat of the moment is a lot higher in the US. Argue reasons for carrying a gun all you want but at the end of the day the laws that they want for their protection is what increases their chances to get killed.
Homicide by method for selected countries, 2006
Source: Statistics Canada, Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics, Homicide Survey; Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Department of Justice, Washington, D.C.; Australian Institute of Criminology; and England & Wales Home Office.
I am willing to bet that a lot more schetchy people carry guns in the US than in Canada. In Canada you have to be a serious criminal to get a gun. In US just about everyone has one. The chance of a gun coming out in the heat of the moment is a lot higher in the US. Argue reasons for carrying a gun all you want but at the end of the day the laws that they want for their protection is what increases their chances to get killed.
Homicide by method for selected countries, 2006
Source: Statistics Canada, Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics, Homicide Survey; Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Department of Justice, Washington, D.C.; Australian Institute of Criminology; and England & Wales Home Office.
I was at the mall food court 30 minutes before this happened. I ended up taking my food to go. I then went to Sears b/c of the scratch and save sale. I Scratched 50% off and the clerk let me go back and grab some more items. Ended up leaving the mall parking lot exactly at 6:30pm. It was a lucky day for me.
And none of them were legally obtained. Look at Switzerland. Over there every able-bodied adult is required by law to have military training and to keep an assault rifle at home. I heard there are shootouts on the streets of Zurich every 5 minutes
:laughing3: This sounds like you are talking about cops... lol..
The problem with thinking like this is that its not stupid people that are getting these weapons. Its street savvy punks with connections to get many kinds of weapons from black market sources. The average person is not going to know where to obtain illegal weapons. I think everyone should have the right to carry.. MOST people may not have stopped to help, but there would be a few.. but I guess we can never know.
Come again?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre
You seriously think that arming everyone will make things better?
Columbine and VT are counter productive to the argument you're trying to make. I have no doubt (not for a second) that casualties would've been far fewer if there were armed people at those schools, ready to defend themselves.
Notice how all these massacres happen at places where guns are explicitly banned?
My opinion is that people who correlate gun laws to crime rates are universally retarded... on both sides of the argument.
Maybe we should legalize drugs and firearms, then we can have people walking around high as **** with a gun.
I can think of a lot of people I know or am related to who I do not want to see with a access to a gun. Heck, some people shouldn't even be allowed to have a drivers license. I just don't see why we need them. Are we going to carry a gun whenever we go to eatons centre so we can pop a cap in some guys *** if he decides to open fire? Yeah, okay. Stupid people won't get guns? What will stop them if we make it easier to obtain and carry one. One of my tenants owns 7 guns. It is his hobby and they are old guns passed down to him and he does target shooting and some hunting. He finds the current laws annoying but does not want to see guns fully legalized. That is the only reason I can see for anyone to need/own guns. I for one do not want to rely on the average joe's level of cognition, morality or state of mind to decide when is an appropriate time to dislodge a personal firearm.
I can think of a lot of people I know or am related to who I do not want to see with a access to a gun. Heck, some people shouldn't even be allowed to have a drivers license. I just don't see why we need them. Are we going to carry a gun whenever we go to eatons centre so we can pop a cap in some guys *** if he decides to open fire? Yeah, okay. Stupid people won't get guns? What will stop them if we make it easier to obtain and carry one. One of my tenants owns 7 guns. It is his hobby and they are old guns passed down to him and he does target shooting and some hunting. He finds the current laws annoying but does not want to see guns fully legalized. That is the only reason I can see for anyone to need/own guns. I for one do not want to rely on the average joe's level of cognition, morality or state of mind to decide when is an appropriate time to dislodge a personal firearm.
What's "fully legalized"?
The system we have in place is decent, but could be better. The RCMP has too much power to decide which guns are categorized in which manner, and they don't follow any basic logic. Arbitrary limits on magazine caps, barrel lengths, and calibers are complete ridiculous. A gun is a gun is a gun.
If I pass the test and am deemed qualified to own a firearm, the restrictions should end there.
I'm also of the opinion that if a cop or a customs agent or a money transport guard can be trusted to carry a firearm, so should an 'ordinary' citizen. Give us the power to challenge the same tests and pass the same requirements as those guys. Are they "super human" or somehow better/smarter than me? Not by a longshot.
The system we have in place is decent, but could be better. The RCMP has too much power to decide which guns are categorized in which manner, and they don't follow any basic logic. Arbitrary limits on magazine caps, barrel lengths, and calibers are complete ridiculous. A gun is a gun is a gun.
If I pass the test and am deemed qualified to own a firearm, the restrictions should end there.
I'm also of the opinion that if a cop or a customs agent or a money transport guard can be trusted to carry a firearm, so should an 'ordinary' citizen. Give us the power to challenge the same tests and pass the same requirements as those guys. Are they "super human" or somehow better/smarter than me? Not by a longshot.
What's "fully legalized"?
The system we have in place is decent, but could be better. The RCMP has too much power to decide which guns are categorized in which manner, and they don't follow any basic logic. Arbitrary limits on magazine caps, barrel lengths, and calibers are complete ridiculous. A gun is a gun is a gun.
If I pass the test and am deemed qualified to own a firearm, the restrictions should end there.
I'm also of the opinion that if a cop or a customs agent or a money transport guard can be trusted to carry a firearm, so should an 'ordinary' citizen. Give us the power to challenge the same tests and pass the same requirements as those guys. Are they "super human" or somehow better/smarter than me? Not by a longshot.
Honestly, ya got me, I just don't want people having guns like they do in the states. I am a bit of a socialist though, maybe too much at times perhaps.
daught
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Overall the types of guns owned in canada are different from the types of guns owned in the US. No one goes on a shooting spree with a hunting rifle. Same thing in Switzerland. No one goes to the mall packing their rifle. The swiss cant carry any weapon. It's tightly regulated and to get a permit they have to prove they need to carry the gun for security. The only countries that US compares to are in the middle east.
Thankfully it does matter what people think and laws reflect that.
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My reasoning is fine, your reasoning lacks. You think that every person should be allowed to walk around with a firearm because cops can? That is ridiculous and laughable. And it really seems that because you don't understand why barrel lengths and magazine caps limits are set, you call them ridiculous. I feel like you perhaps have lived in a happy little bubble your whole life and have not spent enough time with these "ordinary citizens". I don't know guns, but I know ordinary citizens and there is a huge population of them who have no right anywhere near a firearm and the tests are not going to weed out the crazies.
Read my post again.
I said ordinary citizens should be afforded the same chance that cops and armoured truck guards get. We should be able to undergo the same testing, training, and re-qualifications to carry our firearms.
If tests don't weed out the crazies, how does it work for cops, guards, and border agents? Are they not ordinary humans?
And I understand full well how every part of a firearm works. I'm way more qualified to make these arguments than you will ever be. Barrel lengths limits are arbitrary and unreasonable, as are magazine caps. At the end of the day, both are easily circumvented by criminals and only serve to punish law abiding citizens who go through the trouble of attaining licences for firearms. These ridiculous laws are in place to serve and appease the ignorant and fearful masses (you).
I said ordinary citizens should be afforded the same chance that cops and armoured truck guards get. We should be able to undergo the same testing, training, and re-qualifications to carry our firearms.
If tests don't weed out the crazies, how does it work for cops, guards, and border agents? Are they not ordinary humans?
And I understand full well how every part of a firearm works. I'm way more qualified to make these arguments than you will ever be. Barrel lengths limits are arbitrary and unreasonable, as are magazine caps. At the end of the day, both are easily circumvented by criminals and only serve to punish law abiding citizens who go through the trouble of attaining licences for firearms. These ridiculous laws are in place to serve and appease the ignorant and fearful masses (you).
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Show me.
Source: Statistics Canada, Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics, Homicide Survey; Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Department of Justice, Washington, D.C.; Australian Institute of Criminology; and England & Wales Home Office.
but how many of these deaths in USA were resulted from PUBLIC shootings?
There is no way there could ever be government funding for said tests and thus they would cost people who wanted such liberties a fortune. Also, those people are paid a wage to carry and use a gun for a certain purpose at a certain time in a certain manner, there is no way you can make for the same situation with the general population. But still, why do people need to carry a gun?
Who said government funding?
Wanna carry? Pay for it yourself.
Why do people need to carry? The same reason any cop would need to carry... to defend themselves. Maybe you live in a particularly ****** area of town, or you're a target for whatever reason, or you're rich and famous, or you work a dangerous job? You know there was a time not too long ago that the government actually handed out ATCs on a regular basis. I wonder how society didn't crumble with all those civilians carrying guns
Wanna carry? Pay for it yourself.
Why do people need to carry? The same reason any cop would need to carry... to defend themselves. Maybe you live in a particularly ****** area of town, or you're a target for whatever reason, or you're rich and famous, or you work a dangerous job? You know there was a time not too long ago that the government actually handed out ATCs on a regular basis. I wonder how society didn't crumble with all those civilians carrying guns
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