Daily sports car?

Yeah, in fantasy land ... not even sure whose fantasy land, because I haven't heard of any Mustang people who are asking for that. The just-introduced (S650) Mustang is probably in production through 2028, and whatever succeeds it will probably be electric-only. Ford is not going to develop a bespoke mid-engine vehicle platform for that car.
 
Brian P said:
Yeah, in fantasy land ... not even sure whose fantasy land, because I haven't heard of any Mustang people who are asking for that. The just-introduced (S650) Mustang is probably in production through 2028, and whatever succeeds it will probably be electric-only. Ford is not going to develop a bespoke mid-engine vehicle platform for that car.
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Maybe this is another multimatic project? A sub-halo, halo car for lots of dollars.
 
On minor digging, it appears that Ford has something cooking, and it is not the S650 Mustang.


It may be a Ford GT with a cosmetic makeover and a new name. If so, it's gonna be expensive, and rare. The GT is hand built by Multimatic.

edit: The GT ends production after 2023. Doing this will let them keep building them under a different name ...

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2023 Ford GT: What We Know So Far

Ford is giving its GT supercar a proper send-off with track-focused enhancements, including at least 800 horsepower, a reworked body, and more.
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Brian P said:
Yeah, in fantasy land ... not even sure whose fantasy land, because I haven't heard of any Mustang people who are asking for that.
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It's real and it's coming. Been hearing the "rumours" (read: feelers) for a while now.
 
Not a 'sports car' per se, but BIL let me use his 2021 GTI Autobahn for a few weeks to see if I like it...very nice. I think out of my 'hot compacts' that I've had, it's my favourite to date.

Compared to the Si and WRX it's clutch is very nice, good power, good sound, good road manners, and pulls strong in any gear.

Might be a viable option to replace the Volt...but a fill up was $70 so 1 fill up is already more than a monthly visit to the gas station in the Volt!
 
Integra Type S (aka Civic TypeR for adults) would be my perfect daily "affordable" car.

bar none.
 
mimico_polak said:
Not a 'sports car' per se, but BIL let me use his 2021 GTI Autobahn for a few weeks to see if I like it...very nice. I think out of my 'hot compacts' that I've had, it's my favourite to date.

Compared to the Si and WRX it's clutch is very nice, good power, good sound, good road manners, and pulls strong in any gear.
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I rented a GTI in South Africa and had it for over a week. I loved the gearbox on that car, very crisp gear changes. I'm not really into hot hatches, but if I were to pick one, this would be it.
 
Brian P said:
Yeah, in fantasy land ... not even sure whose fantasy land, because I haven't heard of any Mustang people who are asking for that. The just-introduced (S650) Mustang is probably in production through 2028, and whatever succeeds it will probably be electric-only. Ford is not going to develop a bespoke mid-engine vehicle platform for that car.
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2025 Ford Mustang GTD Is a $300,000 Thoroughbred

Ford's six-figure Mustang features a transaxle, trick aerodynamics, and approximately 800 horsepower.
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$300K US.

Mustang GTD.

Looks cool. But I'd rather so many other cars at this price point. It will end up as garage queens in car collections.
 
Dresden said:
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2025 Ford Mustang GTD Is a $300,000 Thoroughbred

Ford's six-figure Mustang features a transaxle, trick aerodynamics, and approximately 800 horsepower.
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$300K US.

Mustang GTD.

Looks cool. But I'd rather so many other cars at this price point. It will end up as garage queens in car collections.
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Jeez, that really does look like something from Hot Wheels.
 
Lightcycle said:
I rented a GTI in South Africa and had it for over a week. I loved the gearbox on that car, very crisp gear changes. I'm not really into hot hatches, but if I were to pick one, this would be it.
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I recently drove my brother's new GTI with DSG or whatever they're calling it now. Seems to act a bit more like a manual gearbox than I remember the early DSG's, in that it's actually in neutral when you're at a stop and doesn't go into gear until you give it some gas (if you're on an incline with your foot off the brake and gas, it rolls).
 
Relax said:
I recently drove my brother's new GTI with DSG or whatever they're calling it now. Seems to act a bit more like a manual gearbox than I remember the early DSG's, in that it's actually in neutral when you're at a stop and doesn't go into gear until you give it some gas (if you're on an incline with your foot off the brake and gas, it rolls).
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Dsg is vw branded dual clutch. Porsche calls theirs pdk.

It's still in gear, it just has both clutches released. If you take your foot off the brake and wait a second, clutch will pull in and you start moving forward. If you engage launch control, it engages both clutches part way so you are in first and second concurrently as a pseudo trans brake. When you lift off the brake, it lets go of the 2nd gear clutch. The R will build boost while stopped if you do this. Not sure if the gti will build boost or just some revs (boost would probably just turn into tire smoke).
 
GreyGhost said:
Dsg is vw branded dual clutch. Porsche calls theirs pdk.

It's still in gear, it just has both clutches released. If you take your foot off the brake and wait a second, clutch will pull in and you start moving forward. If you engage launch control, it engages both clutches part way so you are in first and second concurrently as a pseudo trans brake. When you lift off the brake, it lets go of the 2nd gear clutch. The R will build boost while stopped if you do this. Not sure if the gti will build boost or just some revs (boost would probably just turn into tire smoke).
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Yes, I meant in gear with the clutch disengaged. When the A3 DSG first came to Canada, I recall it driving like a normal automatic slush box. Maybe I was just never on an incline with it, or it had some type of hill assist. And my brother's GTI might have engaged the clutch if I hadn't stepped on the gas, but I didn't want to roll too far back.
 
Relax said:
I recently drove my brother's new GTI with DSG or whatever they're calling it now. Seems to act a bit more like a manual gearbox than I remember the early DSG's, in that it's actually in neutral when you're at a stop and doesn't go into gear until you give it some gas (if you're on an incline with your foot off the brake and gas, it rolls).
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I remember the early days of DSG, around 2000, a whole bunch of manufacturers were coming out with their versions in their street cars. BMW has the SMG in the M3, Ferrari had the F1 in the 360 (or was it the 355?), all very clunky, especially in auto mode. Lots of complaints, lots of people still sticking with... well, stick.

Fascinating to see the technology evolve over the years to a point where it's actually superior than manual shift in every single way - except fun factor.
 
Lightcycle said:
Fascinating to see the technology evolve over the years to a point where it's actually superior than manual shift in every single way - except fun factor.
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And maintenance. Reasonably frequent expensive oil changes required. Ford had a ton of problem with them in the Fiesta and focus. Enough problems to ruin the cars. Many people went through a handful under warranty and dumped cars after warranty as changing the box was so expensive.
 
Lightcycle said:
I remember the early days of DSG, around 2000, a whole bunch of manufacturers were coming out with their versions in their street cars. BMW has the SMG in the M3, Ferrari had the F1 in the 360 (or was it the 355?), all very clunky, especially in auto mode. Lots of complaints, lots of people still sticking with... well, stick.

Fascinating to see the technology evolve over the years to a point where it's actually superior than manual shift in every single way - except fun factor.
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By DSG, I meant specifically VW/Audi's DSG. To this day, my favorite for fun actor is still BMW's SMG in the E46 M3. It drives just like my 6-speed, except no clutch. As it should - it uses the same bell housing and gearbox as the 6-speed M3, but has hydraulic actuators controlling the gear selector and clutch, to the point where people who don't want to learn how to drive it smoothly (or kill it by not maintaining it properly) can replace the automation with the OEM manual parts. Rev matching during heel and toe downshifting takes all the same timing and coordination as on a manual, and is just as rewarding. Probably more, because if your technique is off, you'll feel it since you can't rely on the clutch to fix your own mistake.
 
Relax said:
By DSG, I meant specifically VW/Audi's DSG. To this day, my favorite for fun actor is still BMW's SMG in the E46 M3. It drives just like my 6-speed, except no clutch. As it should - it uses the same bell housing and gearbox as the 6-speed M3, but has hydraulic actuators controlling the gear selector and clutch, to the point where people who don't want to learn how to drive it smoothly (or kill it by not maintaining it properly) can replace the automation with the OEM manual parts. Rev matching during heel and toe downshifting takes all the same timing and coordination as on a manual, and is just as rewarding. Probably more, because if your technique is off, you'll feel it since you can't rely on the clutch to fix your own mistake.
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That's not a dct that is a automated manual. Single clutch .

Sent from the future
 
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