Covid opportunities???

You will never see world travel again the way we have been doing it.
Cruise ships; ok everybody go ashore and explore the 3rd.world nation, gather all that nasty crap you paid big bucks to expose yourself to and be back here by 4 so we can make for port in Italy and see what damage you can do there too.
That's gone! That never was sustainable and it only took 1 plague to prove it.
 
I`m sure there will be deals on lease take overs for cars .
I've never seen a good deal on a lease takeover. I'm not saying they don't exist, but all I have seen were meh at best (you make the payments, I'll pay the transfer fee) and in many cases terrible (24 months and 5000 km left on lease, $0.40/km overage, you make the payments, I'll pay transfer fee). Why would anyone want to be the buyer in those deals?
 
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I’m hoping the used car market takes a hit. Especially stupid toys I’m looking at....
 
My kid owns a carpet cleaning/restoration company - they are dead. He has a few clients that who get their carpets and upholstery disinfected once or twice a year (retirement homes and small hospitals.)

To just survive he printed some business cards advertising sanitizing services and dropped them at apartments and business that are staying open. Businesses are asking him to come daily. He's burning the business cards now -- after 3 days he's booked solid for the next 2 months.
 
My kid owns a carpet cleaning/restoration company - they are dead. He has a few clients that who get their carpets and upholstery disinfected once or twice a year (retirement homes and small hospitals.)

To just survive he printed some business cards advertising sanitizing services and dropped them at apartments and business that are staying open. Businesses are asking him to come daily. He's burning the business cards now -- after 3 days he's booked solid for the next 2 months.
Smart kid.
 
I've never seen a good deal on a lease takeover.

no, I agree

if there was any equity in the car the dealers would take them
they are almost all upside down

exception would be near the end on a low mile car in good condition with small residual
but few lessees are needing to get out of that
 
The cruise industry will take a huge beating with consumer confidence and the under informed will stay off them. But you have 40 million dollar boats, people that enjoy travel, and a staff that works at reasonable wages and there are 200,000 crew that need work, and a few hundred of those 40 million dollar boats. They'll be back. And there will be some reasonable priced trips to get the people back on board. Cruising has existed for 120yrs as we know it? Not going anywhere soon.

I'll be shopping for a new to me bike, I'd like a bonneville . I'd really like a Royal Enfield but the 650's haven't been out long enough to be 'cheap' , but you never know.
 
Currently eyeballing another new to me bike. Also replacing the Honda Odyssey right shortly. I need a dealer who is hungry lol.

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The cruise industry will take a huge beating with consumer confidence and the under informed will stay off them. But you have 40 million dollar boats, people that enjoy travel, and a staff that works at reasonable wages and there are 200,000 crew that need work, and a few hundred of those 40 million dollar boats. They'll be back. And there will be some reasonable priced trips to get the people back on board. Cruising has existed for 120yrs as we know it? Not going anywhere soon.
Hmm, I've been looking for a bigger boat, should be able to pickup a cruise ship cheap in a month or two.
 
Hmm, I've been looking for a bigger boat, should be able to pickup a cruise ship cheap in a month or two.

You'll need to factor in the hidden costs, eg: wiping it down. That's a hell of a lot of Lysol wipes.
 
Currently eyeballing another new to me bike. Also replacing the Honda Odyssey right shortly. I need a dealer who is hungry lol.

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Just stay away from the Dilawri Group of dealers.

Bad experience leading a Honda CRV from one of their dealers. Meadowvale Honda.
A friend also had a bad experience there.

Another friend who is in the car business also didn’t have anything good to say about them.
 
There is a pattern I have seen on Kijiji/Facebook Market Place. I have been looking at flipping bicycles as a small money making hobby--very small--(buying, fixing and selling) so I have been researching by tracking bikes that are for sale, how long it takes for them to sell and then if any of them end up back on the market by a new seller for a higher price. A few weeks ago you would see someone list a decent (not high end just a good brand hybrid that was $800 to $1200 new) bike for sub $100 and it would be gone in hours, back on the market a week or so later for $300 to $400. Now, they are there for days at the sub 100 price or longer, sometimes with price drops. My guess is the flippers are not risking catching it...

So, if you took super precautions there could be any number of items being sold today that people just want to get rid of fast on these sites, that could be flipped once things calm down... Buyers market right now...

I like restoring / fixing stuff but it doesn't make money if you do it on speculation. Spec means buying something, spending time and money on it, hoping someone will pay you what it's worth. It can be a long wait.

It helps if you have the space but if you have to wait the item can go stale.

You make more money fixing other people's stuff at an hourly rate. Repairs can be more stable during a recession. When I started my business a guy at the Black and Decker shop pointed out that in good times a person would buy a new mower for $400 instead of spending $200 on a repair. In a recession they go for the repair because they need the other $200 for the mortgage.

The Economist had an article years ago that said if you buy on spec you should never pay more than 10% of the potential value. You don't know how long you have to store, finance and possibly insure the item. The flea market vendors I have talked to tend to agree.

Police auctions are a source of bikes but some sell in lots. Take a big truck. Last time I checked Toronto sold in lots but Brampton sold individuals.

If anyone is thinking about cars watch the Mecum Auctions on youtube. In the more recent ones people are still spending crazy money for old but not rare vehicles but fewer reserves are being met. That's over a couple of weeks. Some off frame restorations are going for the price of a decent paint job.

If they're still being held, go to a small auction and see what's moving. Gold jewelry goes by weight in grams, screw the looks.

A beautiful scale sailing yacht that would look lovely on a mantle went for $50.

Royal Doulton is dead. Old stoneware crocks got better prices (Hundreds) than the Doulton stuff.

A rusty empty one gallon oil can went for $80. My cousin's hubby has cases of full ones and a couple dozen old gas pumps.

Right now I wouldn't speculate on anything I couldn't store on my present real estate.
 
I like restoring / fixing stuff but it doesn't make money if you do it on speculation. Spec means buying something, spending time and money on it, hoping someone will pay you what it's worth. It can be a long wait.

It helps if you have the space but if you have to wait the item can go stale.

You make more money fixing other people's stuff at an hourly rate. Repairs can be more stable during a recession. When I started my business a guy at the Black and Decker shop pointed out that in good times a person would buy a new mower for $400 instead of spending $200 on a repair. In a recession they go for the repair because they need the other $200 for the mortgage.

The Economist had an article years ago that said if you buy on spec you should never pay more than 10% of the potential value. You don't know how long you have to store, finance and possibly insure the item. The flea market vendors I have talked to tend to agree.

Police auctions are a source of bikes but some sell in lots. Take a big truck. Last time I checked Toronto sold in lots but Brampton sold individuals.

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Did my research on the police auctions--mostly a waste of time--the individual bikes sell for basically what they will sell for on the open market totally ready to ride and they all need some work and money to get there, so a total money loser (I have also looked at watches and audio gear as they are also hobbies, same deal). The bike lots are usually full of department store junk in rough shape, supercycle, ccm, next, hyper, huffy, movelo...etc. with, if you are lucky, maybe one or two midrange gems (usually not), total non-starter IMO. But a good reference for the market value of individual bikes and what they actually sell for, via google you can search closed auctions so you see actual selling prices.

On repairs there is the downside of a bunch of people showing up at your house and potential liability problems (more than just selling as-is/where-is), so while I do this it is invitation only.... Again, hobby not a real big money making side hustle.

Arbitrage is another concept I have looked at, for example bikes sell for much more money and faster in Toronto than in say Hamilton or Niagara. A buddy of mine (was) going to Argentina regularly (for basically free) and a high end bike sells there for maybe two to three times what it sells for here, so we were looking at that (and taking orders, sold before it goes)... He can bring one in per trip as luggage, but obviously due to COVID that is off the table!
 
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They’ll all be hungry soon. It’s nearing end of month, on a downturn....you’re in a good spot.
Highly recommend the Odyssey. We love ours.
 
They’ll all be hungry soon. It’s nearing end of month, on a downturn....you’re in a good spot.
Highly recommend the Odyssey. We love ours.
I believe the auto plants will be shut down for a while. I expect a dip in prices while dealers try to get some stock moving/get some room back on their credit. If this drags on for months (entirely possible with our half-ass isolation), will enough vehicles leave a dealership that the prices start to rise again? Probably not, but I could see it happening.
 
There is a lot of contagion in the auto loan business and a lot of people with 8 year plus deals that have them underwater for the first four or more years. Compounded by previously trading in vehicles they were underwater on and rolling the difference into the next loan or lease (even further underwater, over and over, got to have that new SUV/Truck...). The auto business needs to keep rolling over all this or boom...

If this goes on for a long time expect this industry to all fall apart. So there could be some good deals, but I do not see flip opportunities.
 
no, I agree

if there was any equity in the car the dealers would take them
they are almost all upside down

exception would be near the end on a low mile car in good condition with small residual
but few lessees are needing to get out of that


I have seen people offer money to take over leases . As people lose more income they will want to rid themselves of monthly payment . Keep an eye on Kijiji for deals .
 
I have seen people offer money to take over leases . As people lose more income they will want to rid themselves of monthly payment . Keep an eye on Kijiji for deals .
I’ve seen a few of those. But for the majority I’ve seen even want their security deposit and cash deposits back.

basically all they want is out of the lease with minimal incentives.
 
I’ve seen a few of those. But for the majority I’ve seen even want their security deposit and cash deposits back.

basically all they want is out of the lease with minimal incentives.
I have seen some with cash offerings or offering to cover a month or two of payments but it's just not worth it. You have to do a thorough inspection when you take over to make sure there is no existing damage that you will be dinged for. Dealers are going to be hurting, you can probably get a new vehicle specced exactly how you want for similar money.
 
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