Since 2013 they need audited financial statements, of both government money and other band income.
To the surprise of many, this pork that has been claimed for years being "stolen", has yet to materialize on any of these audited statements.
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Church Burnings - Are these Hate Crimes?
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Since 2013 they need audited financial statements, of both government money and other band income.
To the surprise of many, this pork that has been claimed for years being "stolen", has yet to materialize on any of these audited statements.
This comes as no surprise at all.
Keep looking, the google search you found this information under also many hits as them blocking government and then getting all up in arms when the government tries to exercise its rights to do just that.
I wonder if the Europeans arriving in the Americas was a little like Afghanistan before and after major powers intervened in their politics.
I recall an Afghani telling me they've been killing each other for hundreds of years and the west thinks they can make everyone buddies in a few months.
Prior to intervention in both cases tribes fought each other with primitive weapons, arrows in North America and old rifles in Afghanistan. Minor skirmishes by today's standards.
Then intervention brought modern weapons and a massive increase in fatalities. It would have been firearms for the Native Americans but in Afghanistan the CIA gave them complex weapons to fight the Ruskies, RPGs, rockets etc. When the Russians departed they left all kinds of materials to make IED's and massive firepower to decimate the less lucky classes or sub-religions.
Yes, because no other private entity needs to release their entire private financial information publicly. For everyone else it's considered "Protected" and stays between the government agency responsible (typically the CRA) and the private business or individual.
Any private businesses started by a band needs to be disclosed fully, while under current financial laws, only OSE monitored public businesses need to. And putting a line item of "Business Profits" or "Business Revenues Returned" to the band, wasn't good enough for Harper. He wanted far more detailed disclosure.
That was an overreaching provision of the law, and likely to be striked down, as it should be.
Making First Nations financial transparency fair - OKT | Olthuis Kleer Townshend LLP
A new Federal Court decision pauses Canada’s efforts to force First Nations to disclose private financial information.
www.oktlaw.com
So thank you for bringing up yet another way we treat Natives as second class citizens without normal rights and privileges in our country.
There has never been a good guy. Just winners and losers. History has always been written by the winners, right or wrong.
I doubt it will ever change even with the modern day exposure. Too many patriots. Too many just wanting better for themselves. I don’t blame anyone.
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Roadghost
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Loose story of Champlain here:
www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca
The English did not arm the Iroquois circa 1603.
en.wikipedia.org
They didn't even arrive in North America permanently until 1607 when they settled Jamestown, Virginia. By that time Champlain had already allied with the Huron and killed a lot of Iroquois.
I think Dimitri is reading from a French history book written by people still p'd that they lost the 100 years war. Blaming the English for everything that went wrong with the natives, when it was all just as much their fault. Don't believe the sweetness and light stories they spin you in those fake history books.
Samuel de Champlain
Samuel de Champlain, cartographer, explorer, colonial administrator, author (born circa 1567 in Brouage, France; died 25 December 1635 in Quebec City). Known as...
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The English did not arm the Iroquois circa 1603.
British colonization of the Americas - Wikipedia
They didn't even arrive in North America permanently until 1607 when they settled Jamestown, Virginia. By that time Champlain had already allied with the Huron and killed a lot of Iroquois.
I think Dimitri is reading from a French history book written by people still p'd that they lost the 100 years war. Blaming the English for everything that went wrong with the natives, when it was all just as much their fault. Don't believe the sweetness and light stories they spin you in those fake history books.
To be honest with you, I’ve partied lots on the reservation back home. Went to school with a lot of kids off the reservation played hockey played ball against and also on the same teams. It was all considered a communityYes, because no other private entity needs to release their entire private financial information publicly. For everyone else it's considered "Protected" and stays between the government agency responsible (typically the CRA) and the private business or individual.
Any private businesses started by a band needs to be disclosed fully, while under current financial laws, only OSE monitored public businesses need to. And putting a line item of "Business Profits" or "Business Revenues Returned" to the band, wasn't good enough for Harper. He wanted far more detailed disclosure.
That was an overreaching provision of the law, and likely to be striked down, as it should be.
Making First Nations financial transparency fair - OKT | Olthuis Kleer Townshend LLP
A new Federal Court decision pauses Canada’s efforts to force First Nations to disclose private financial information.
So thank you for bringing up yet another way we treat Natives as second class citizens without normal rights and privileges in our country.
And if you’re basing all your knowledge on history books then you are missing quite a few steps.
Never said they did, this was a war that spanned a century. With the bulk of the fighting in the 1640s.
Might want to brush up on some history. You can start with "The American Heritage Book of Indians" by the obviously very French author William Brandon.
The Iroquois were not the only tribe the British were arming around the border between their and the French territories.
The Spread of Firearms among the Indians on the Anglo-French Frontiers on JSTOR
Donald E. Worcester, Thomas F. Schilz, The Spread of Firearms among the Indians on the Anglo-French Frontiers, American Indian Quarterly, Vol. 8, No. 2 (Spring, 1984), pp. 103-115
www.jstor.org
Which proved valuable for the English by the time of the French and Indian War.
Not sure how partying has anything to do with one sided laws that don't apply to any other Canadians.
Go back 600 years and do it right?
Native: Hey blue eyes. Where did you come from?
Settler: Overseas. We're looking for new markets from which to profit.
Native: What's in it for us?
Settler: We'll trade you bling and steel tools for furs. To make it work we'll need some land as well.
Then the train left the tracks.
If the residential schools had instead been reservation located schools without the mistreatment and natives were given the same rights as the rest of the Canadians a lot of the kids would have grown up without the head problems. They could have led their tribes to successful coexistences with the non-native communities.
It's another social experiment but what would happen if we had integrated schools where whites were bussed into reservations for part of a joint curriculum. The band controls the culture part and a mutually agreed upon three R's program is put in place.
The two sides spend significant time together and the aboriginal kids hear first hand about life and opportunities off the reservation. They can later decide if the outside opportunities are worth leaving the reservation. Maybe they can see a way to bring new ideas onto the reservation without compromising their culture.
Maybe the kids go to a reservation school three days week and a mixed school for two. The white kids do a similar pattern. It's not going to be easy with remote reservations so is it possible to set up reservations on less remote lands?
If a kid grows up sitting at the dinner table with both parents the view of the world is different depending on the position of the parents.
If the parents are a doctor and dentist the kid overhears about future medical opportunities and how to handle the serious income.
If the parents are an engineer and IT the kids hear of future technical opportunities and challenges, and possibly the trade offs in uncertainties.
If the parents are minimum wage earners or on welfare the kids learn...........................
If there is only one parent the kids don't hear adult conversations that could have prepared them to handle adult situations.
As I said, it's another social experiment. What scares me is that so much accumulated damage may have been done over the centuries. If it doesn't work it adds another emotional scar.
The biggest problem from the white perspective is that we are typically so sure we are right that we automatically want to take over. It doesn't take long for that to escalate to something unpalatable.
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It don’t, dont see how you quoting history is going to repair or solve the big issues about natives not being giving fair will.
I think you really need to spend sometime living on or working around a reservation.
I think your eyes would open up.
I go back to an earlier post of mine.
If we are not going to accept history, and the way we maltreated what a stone age society. Then there never can be an improvement in their lives.
Far too many people, including a few here, white wash what has happened in history, and it's easy to do when you have an effectively racist view on history from Government lies and Hollywood.
So historical context, which started this whole history lesson, such as John A MacDonald's statement in support of residential schools, admitting to cultural genocide is apparently needed.
DownUnder
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Out of curiosity, are there any other private entities in canada that receive billions of tax payer dollars and don't need to show how and where that money is spent?
Sure, pre-COVID Child Benefits, Billions handed out to families and it's used to buy smart phones and booze. But now with COVID except for the rent relief for businesses, even things like the Wage Subsidies were never accounted for. Rogers collected $82 million and didn't even disclose it on their financial statements let alone show that they used it for wages.
But that's an irrelevant question, no one is arguing they shouldn't be disclosing financial statements.
The law is over reaching because it asks for breakdowns of financial data for every business owned by the band. Do you need to provide financial data for every company you have stake in as a Canadian Citizen? Nope.
A line item on the income statement "Business Profits Returned" and a line item in the balance sheet "Investment in Band Companies" is all that is needed. Same as any other Canadian disclosing investments.
Kudos for the post.
A lot of the replies on the thread are interesting history and not to be ignored. Those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
That said, at some point the history students working on their fourth PhD have to start applying that knowledge to the problem.
Yes. This thread is like sitting in on a Senate session in Ottawa.
Primitive?
A traveler in South America commented on the primitive boats the natives were using and was corrected.
The boats were the most advanced that one could build with the materials at hand. There wasn't a local supply house for carbon fiber, epoxy and titanium, nor the tools to use them. The reeds were plentiful and when the boat was no longer of use, a new one was built and the old reeds went back to nature. In a decade they would be resurrected as a new boat.
To many, the natives were primitive. If they were more advanced they could have reduced the number of hours they needed to just survive. Those hours could be better used to make and sip lattes, online shop, post on Facebook, criticize the other person's hut, watch reality TV, paint their fingernails, bling out their canoes. So many opportunities lost.
The double edged sword of the helping hand:
If the natives were given adequate decent land and next to no western goods they would have to work their arses off to survive as did their ancestors. But that would be cruel so we give them gas engine devices, firearms, prepared western food, stoves to cook the food and refrigerators to stock up. TV to sit and watch. Type 2 diabetes I gather is a problem.
Was diabetes a problem before the reservation system came along?
It's also a white problem. Everyone wants to retire early so they can do nothing but indulge themselves.
Want to do something exciting in retirement? Try a hard working, well rewarded, challenging lifestyle and uckfey the latte.
A traveler in South America commented on the primitive boats the natives were using and was corrected.
The boats were the most advanced that one could build with the materials at hand. There wasn't a local supply house for carbon fiber, epoxy and titanium, nor the tools to use them. The reeds were plentiful and when the boat was no longer of use, a new one was built and the old reeds went back to nature. In a decade they would be resurrected as a new boat.
To many, the natives were primitive. If they were more advanced they could have reduced the number of hours they needed to just survive. Those hours could be better used to make and sip lattes, online shop, post on Facebook, criticize the other person's hut, watch reality TV, paint their fingernails, bling out their canoes. So many opportunities lost.
The double edged sword of the helping hand:
If the natives were given adequate decent land and next to no western goods they would have to work their arses off to survive as did their ancestors. But that would be cruel so we give them gas engine devices, firearms, prepared western food, stoves to cook the food and refrigerators to stock up. TV to sit and watch. Type 2 diabetes I gather is a problem.
Was diabetes a problem before the reservation system came along?
It's also a white problem. Everyone wants to retire early so they can do nothing but indulge themselves.
Want to do something exciting in retirement? Try a hard working, well rewarded, challenging lifestyle and uckfey the latte.
sburns
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Not a history book but I do recommend picking up the book Germs, Guns and Steel
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