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Church Burnings - Are these Hate Crimes?
- Thread starter Mad Mike
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It’s ridiculous how churches can kill First Nations childern, and have literally zero repercussions for this. I may be wrong but I’ve not heard of anyone getting arrested and charged with murder for these.
Can we have a problem with one and not the other?
But the kids would have died anyways is the constant argument. Which is full of ****.
But if this is true, the number becomes 1 in 25.
And compared to the rest of the country.
Why so many children died at Indian Residential Schools
At some schools, annual death rates were as high as one in 20
nationalpost.com
I agree with you 100%. The people responsible (if still alive) and the establishment should be punished for these horrible crimes.
Through a court of law. Not through vigilante justice.
As a Catholic, the Church disgusts me for what they've done throughout their history...but do we judge those that wronged others by today's standards? Is something that was done back 100, 200, 300, or 500 years ago the fault of those that are alive today? Yes the schools were open in the 90s...find those responsible and charge them. Do I go yell at young Ukrainians/Russians/Germans for what they did to the Polaks a generation ago? No...they didn't do it. They had nothing to do with it.
This is a very difficult topic, but the fact remains that this will be investigated, and I would hope that justice can be delivered to those wronged.
I'm not against the Church / those running the schools being charged and held to account. I'm against the burning of churches by whoever has chosen to do this. If you saw mosques, synagogues, temples being burned there would be an uproar through society that would rip right through it all....but I'm not hearing that against the Church. Is it because we all know? Or is it because anyone that speaks against this act is somehow 'racist' because they don't support wanton burning/damage of the establishment?
This all blew up in the government's face in 1969. The 1969 White Paper called "Statement of the Government of Canada on Indian Policy" where Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau and then Minister of Indian Affairs Jean Chretien answer to the Indian question was to simply end all the treaties and force them to intergrate into Canadian society.
This inspired Natives to speak out and not accept status quo about many things including the Residential schools. And it started to become public knowledge. Which lead to the first apology in 1986 by the United Church of Canada. This 1970 to 1990s period saw those 64 schools in my earlier list closed.
By 2006, the largest class action lawsuit in Canadian history saw $4.9 billion be alloted for the Residential school survivors. In 2008 Harper gave a formal apology. While the Truth and Reconciliation report came out in 2015.
That's half a century of this being in the news.
sburns
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Will it be investigated? Has the process started, it should have with the first burial site?
Mad Mike
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Residential schools, hospitals and municipal gov'ts were responsible for providing pauper's burials (basic grave and burial) to any indigent person, not just Indigenous. None were responsible returning deceased home, grave memorials, caskets or funerals -- those were responsibility of the family. Most hospitals and churches had an attached cemetery used for pauper burials.
In many areas an indigent persons body was first offered to medical schools to avoid the cost of burial, this did not require consent from the family. This did impact children of the poor, particularly those who died away from home. Indigenous children were interned the same way except they were not offered to science against family wishes.
As far as undertaker costs, this wasn't always done on those days. My family had a grave site on their farm outside Winnipeg, during the Spanish Flu epidemic, 2 of my great uncle's children and several sharecropper (Hutterite) children died on the farm. They were buried by their families in shallow as graves (24") which were standard in those days.
It's legal to bury someone on your property in Ontario. Embalming is nor required, nor is a casket. Just make sure there is 24" of soil in top of the body.
Rockridgesheriff
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This is a good lesson in when you conquer a group of people wipe them out or assimilate them or you will have problems down the road. Same reason when the British conquered the French they should have killed them all or assimilated them and we wouldn’t have the Quebec disaster we have now that drags down Canada constantly.
If the natives had conquered the white man you can be damn sure they would have wiped them out and not built schools trying to change them to their culture and language . Same thing natives did when they conquered other tribes before the white man showed up. Full scale rape slaughter ,taking their lands and torture was the way the indigenous waged war on each other
If the natives had conquered the white man you can be damn sure they would have wiped them out and not built schools trying to change them to their culture and language . Same thing natives did when they conquered other tribes before the white man showed up. Full scale rape slaughter ,taking their lands and torture was the way the indigenous waged war on each other
While I agree with the above from rationality: move to China for that kind of behavior. Why do you think they're literally removing Muslims? It's **** your differences, assimilate or die.
Agreed. It should be. And the parties responsible should be put on trial and put away as the law says.
However, I’m not optimistic it’ll happen. I hope it does….but I doubt it.
That isn't a solution. It's brushing it aside.
That's the problem. You can't. Recognizing the past helps but spending a fortune on the past underfunds the future.
It doesn't have to change the past, just change the system that allowed those policies to occur. To show genuine compassion for the wrongs that have been done, rather then just lip service.
The Canadian government already settled a dollar value that has been spent for Residential School victims. Worrying about spending money on this one issue involving the Natives is silly.
Most things that need to be fixed with the natives, involve fixing the treaties that we negotiated on bad faith. With 89% of all land in Canada being Crown land, we got space to expand their territories and give them more suitable land without costing a penny.
The feds just shovel out another 8billion today over drinking water lawsuits.
Let’s see if they put it to good use or it magically disappeared like most of the funds that have been gave away in the PAST.
Let’s see if they put it to good use or it magically disappeared like most of the funds that have been gave away in the PAST.
Mad Mike
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What makes you think they were in bad faith? Lands were exchanged for defence, titled lands and rights to use vast areas of crown lands and other entitlements they craved.
My family sold a farm in Milton in 1988 for $4000 acre. Building lots on that farm sell for $600,000 today, or about $4 million an acre. That would be $800million or so, do you think I can go by back to claim a bad deal 35 years later and demand a chunk of the upside? I didn’t invest in the roads, infrastructure or let time increase the value.
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