Canada Post - Huge losses

I think CPC has to rip the bandaid off and deal with their challenges. They must reshape services and overhaul delivery systems to meet their capability and the market's needs, then do a major reduction in force to improve productivity.

And they need to bring their workforce, scheduling, and handling system into the 21st century. Current productivity is abysmal, and falling as they lose share to nimbler competitors.
 
GreyGhost said:
If you cut 10% of the staff and give the remaining 90% a 10% raise, does that break the union? The numbers I have heard so far are about 10% apart for union vs management. Again, I am not advocating for cuts on the front line to save CP. It sounds like at carrier level they may already be understaffed. I can't believe that a government agency with 72,000 employees doesn't have thousands that could be cut with minimal harm to moving mail. There are probably at least 10,000 weasels protected by unions and bureaucracy that don't actually contribute much.
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Well, there’s only 55,000 unionized employees in CUPW. IF your number of 72,000 is correct, that means that there are 17,000 management positions. 17,000 Management for 55,000 regular CUPW employees.

That’s an absolutely absurd ratio!
 
BigEvilDoer said:
Well, there’s only 55,000 unionized employees in CUPW. IF your number of 72,000 is correct, that means that there are 17,000 management positions. 17,000 Management for 55,000 regular CUPW employees.

That’s an absolutely absurd ratio!
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Entirely agree with you. 72K was a number that showed up in a search. I didn't dig too deeply into the source. For instance, not sure if that includes Purolator staff as well.
 
BigEvilDoer said:
Well, there’s only 55,000 unionized employees in CUPW. IF your number of 72,000 is correct, that means that there are 17,000 management positions. 17,000 Management for 55,000 regular CUPW employees.
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Management are not CUPW members.
 
BigEvilDoer said:
Well, there’s only 55,000 unionized employees in CUPW. IF your number of 72,000 is correct, that means that there are 17,000 management positions. 17,000 Management for 55,000 regular CUPW employees.

That’s an absolutely absurd ratio!
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Total including part timers/casual is approx 68000. That’s 13000 non union positions, not 13000 in management.

The are armies of people in HR, sales, marketing, planning, finance (and more) who are not part of the postal union.
 
Evoex said:
7 personal days and 6 sick days. All Federal employees got 10 sick days (if I'm not mistaken)
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timtune said:
EFF me! No wonder CP is in such a state. That's greed plain and simple.'
How many posties are using all 13 days already??
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timtune said:
My whole working life if I missed more than 1 or 2 days in a year that was a bad year for me.
If you expect to be off sick more than once a month you wouldn't have been my employee that long.
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AllistonGT said:
1 day in the last 38 years.
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I don't begrudge anyone sick days. Humans get sick, some are more prone than others to it.

It's easy for people who have nice climate controlled indoor jobs to pooh-pooh sick time for everyone else, but reality is outdoor jobs when you're subjected to snow and ice conditions (icy walkways, driveways, ice and snow piled up that you have to climb over, things like dogs that want to disembowel you if you set foot on their property (it's happened to me in my job, I know posties deal with it far more), constant temperature changes getting in and out of vehicles, and all the other realities of a job that has you outside for long hours ever day, well, you're going to get sick and/or injured more often. Add to all that, dealing with the public, going in and out of factories and businesses all day, it's all exposure that drastically increase your risk of catching things like the flu, etc.

Personal days are for things like doctors appointments, etc.

Personally, I'm one of those people who are prone to sickness unfortunately, I didn't win in the genetic pool in that regard unfortunatley.

Without fail around this time of year I end up with a chest infection that has on a few occasions progressed to pneumonia, putting me in the hospital at least once. In the past It's completely whacked me so hard that I've had no choice but to take time off as I couldn't physically work, but when others have no choice (can't afford to not go to work because they have no sick pay, or threatened by their company for daring take time off, whatever) people go to work sick, make other people sick, and it spirals from there and next thing you know your workforce is crippled as half your office/warehouse/whatever is sick and physically unable to work. Where's the good in that?

And ultimately, people shouldn't be penalized for being sick. And in my own opinion, there is no heroism in going to work when you're not feeling well and potentially making other people (who may be immunocompromised or more susceptible than others, ie, people like me) end up catching whatever you've got. I get it if you don't have paid sick time and can't afford it or whatever, but that doesn't mean you should be mad at others who do have such, it means you should demand the same of your employer to support you when you're sick.

Anyhow, back on the topic specific to Canada Post, I agree, they've got enough and certainly don't need more, but again, I don't begrudge anyone for using them. People need to remember that their job realities are not the same reality as others, either. Working outdoors 12 months of the year has it's downsides, I know first hand....
 
Jayell said:
Management are not CUPW members.
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I realize this.
From my understanding of GreyGhost's message, it was 72K employees at Canada Post.
My logic says, 72K - 55K (CUPW) = 17K management.
 
BigEvilDoer said:
I realize this.
From my understanding of GreyGhost's message, it was 72K employees at Canada Post.
My logic says, 72K - 55K (CUPW) = 17K management.
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It sounds like you and MM are using different definitions of management. HR, accounting, marketing, etc are necessary staff that most people wouldn't consider management. I haven't seen a breakdown of how many managers there are at CP (probably everyone not a CP manager will agree there are too many).

FWIW I read an article that said CUPW total comp exceeded UPS total comp even though CUPW hourly rate is much lower. They didn't provide their source of data though. They presented it as fact. Truth or bad journalism?
 
As an employee, I’d find it hard to see a layoff as anything but a positive - it opens the door to some benefits like EI sickness and maternity benefits, amongst others, although not regular EI. It’s a no loss situation in the end.

And any contractors who are not part of the unionized on strike and are out of work as a result of all this are now eligible for full EI.
 
Every year I send a Christmas parcel to my brother at NATO HQ in Belgium using the Canadian Forces PO system. The Forces ship for free from CFB Trenton, so the only cost is getting the parcel from here to the CP-CF handoff point in Belleville. I've always used CP to ship the parcel to Belleville but it turns out that the Forces have a MFRC (military family resource center) location near Downsview Park where I can drop my parcel for free and have it picked up by the Forces postal system.

Thanks to CUPW I've now found an easier, cheaper way to send these annual parcels, which was pretty much the only thing I ever use CP for anymore. So thanks for that you greedy dummies.
 
Interesting. Libs say they won't force CP to binding arbitration. Truth or another soundbite to be quickly ignored? They didn't hesitate with rail lines and ports and apparently less formally with air canada.

www.cp24.com

Ottawa will not send Canada Post strike to arbitration, minister says

The federal government says it is not planning to intervene to resolve the labour dispute at Canada Post, even with less than a month to go before Christmas.
www.cp24.com www.cp24.com
 
bitzz said:
Do we really need Canada Post in it's current mandate? Do we need 5/6 day a week delivery? Do we still need to the door delivery?
Maybe we should rethink the whole deal.
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Short term thinking is a government rule. If what we have now isn't relevant, think what it's going to be in ten years. Aim for where we want to be in a decade and set the right trajectory.
 
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GreyGhost said:
Interesting. Libs say they won't force CP to binding arbitration. Truth or another soundbite to be quickly ignored? They didn't hesitate with rail lines and ports and apparently less formally with air canada.

www.cp24.com

Ottawa will not send Canada Post strike to arbitration, minister says

The federal government says it is not planning to intervene to resolve the labour dispute at Canada Post, even with less than a month to go before Christmas.
www.cp24.com www.cp24.com
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Those are things that matter so they got solved

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KLR Junkie said:
Every year I send a Christmas parcel to my brother at NATO HQ in Belgium using the Canadian Forces PO system. The Forces ship for free from CFB Trenton, so the only cost is getting the parcel from here to the CP-CF handoff point in Belleville. I've always used CP to ship the parcel to Belleville but it turns out that the Forces have a MFRC (military family resource center) location near Downsview Park where I can drop my parcel for free and have it picked up by the Forces postal system.

Thanks to CUPW I've now found an easier, cheaper way to send these annual parcels, which was pretty much the only thing I ever use CP for anymore. So thanks for that you greedy dummies.
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I don't think that's a very fair assessment of the situation. But you`re entitled to your opinion.
 
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