Or is it just doing business? When you have more workers than work you lay some off. Not anything new.
Canada Post - Huge losses
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it may be good business, that doesn't mean it's not also slimey. These people are paid hourly, because the contact is now non existent they have no benefits, where is the overhead?
Not sure what you mean by that.
They are zero cost right now is where I think he is going. No hourly wages, no benefits, no cost. Why cut people that cost nothing? Now, there may be good answers to that question (clearing out dead wood, worried about ESA infractions by not giving them work nor an ROI, pressure on union by killing a hostage every hour, etc).
People that will get rehired as soon as the strike ends no less.
Probably but maybe not. Again, union wants to maximize revenue. If negotiations put the union in a position to be more profitable without those staff, union won't try to save them.
I don't see how the union survives that decision. Job security and fairness is the entire premise
If you cut 10% of the staff and give the remaining 90% a 10% raise, does that break the union? The numbers I have heard so far are about 10% apart for union vs management. Again, I am not advocating for cuts on the front line to save CP. It sounds like at carrier level they may already be understaffed. I can't believe that a government agency with 72,000 employees doesn't have thousands that could be cut with minimal harm to moving mail. There are probably at least 10,000 weasels protected by unions and bureaucracy that don't actually contribute much.
Courier rates are insane for individuals but a deal for heavy users. A supplier used to send me a carton of goods, prepay and charge. I'd get a charge on my invoice for $7-8. I'd use the same carton to ship a similar weight a similar distance and pay $35. Insurance was 15% of the goods value, suggesting they lost 15% of the packages they handle.
Canada post wasn't too far off the courier price but getting a courier to ship to a remote location could be problematic.
CP needs a rethink and that includes the receivers. I don't think anyone likes group mail boxes nor do they want one or two day a week deliveries. The alternate is stupid pricing and a downward spiral. Higher prices = lower volume = higher cost per unit = lower volume, repeat, repeat, repeat.
My beef with group mailboxes is based on the one I had in Brampton getting broken into two or three times a year. The door got ripped open and until it was fixed we had to drive to a sub station to pick up mail at inconvenient times.
How about one day a week delivery to a group box, postage paid mail only, no stuffing. The crowd all showing up at the same time might deter thieves.
Now we can switch back to the crime threads.
Canada post wasn't too far off the courier price but getting a courier to ship to a remote location could be problematic.
CP needs a rethink and that includes the receivers. I don't think anyone likes group mail boxes nor do they want one or two day a week deliveries. The alternate is stupid pricing and a downward spiral. Higher prices = lower volume = higher cost per unit = lower volume, repeat, repeat, repeat.
My beef with group mailboxes is based on the one I had in Brampton getting broken into two or three times a year. The door got ripped open and until it was fixed we had to drive to a sub station to pick up mail at inconvenient times.
How about one day a week delivery to a group box, postage paid mail only, no stuffing. The crowd all showing up at the same time might deter thieves.
Now we can switch back to the crime threads.
Nailed it!
Union says to the membership , its a scare tactic , everyone gets to come back . Maybe . Middle managemnet Fred says heres my list of guys that make my life hellish weekly , they can be first out the door and we can see if we ever need them again. Hopefully they go work at CTC autoparts where nothing needs to be right either . Union steward knows who is a pain in the arse and greives everything , they are also happy to see these people go.
Maybe if like I said previously; the trouble makers and people in retirement age who are double dipping are let go.
But Joe Plumber with 5 years good service, 2 kids and a mortgage? I don't see how belief in anything the union says going forward is maintained.
I do not see CP being very viable after this (or I guess even less viable is more accurate). People will need it even less as everyone adjusts: bills, invoices, flyers, parcels go even more to alternative options and that will be sticky the longer this goes on. As noted I was one of those holdouts, won't be after this is over I like other luddites will have moved on. It also has to be hurting many smaller businesses that ship CP as people are not buying XMAS stuff from them now unless they move to an alternative, they won't likely go back. Rural delivery has less options (mostly for parcel) but my guess is... it is not as good (or worse) for the bottom line as urban.
Seems rather odd. They had an entire year to negotiate these issues but everyone seems to have just let it play out for the worst time of year for the union and the corporation..big giant game of 'who blinks first' or something.
There have been interesting discussions about JT basically destroying all negotiations. They have multiple times ordered strikes over with binding arbitration. Why bother negotiating? Swing for the moon and let arbitration sort it out if required. Both sides expect JT to blink first.
We've seen it play out before. Job security for the old guard and a new contract for hires after a certain date.
That's exactly what Canada Post is pushing for now and the union isn't agreeing to it.
Mad Mike
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Unions often run the bus over the cliff when it comes to job security. Look at the losses in the auto sector a decade ago, worker were like lemmings dropping into the sea. That might happen at CPC.
The relationship between unions and employers must be symbiotic, both need to win. If the demands of a union make it impossible to run the business… we all know how that ends.
Mediator sent them back to their corners and told them to reassess their willingness to negotiate as both sides are stubborn and far apart. I still think both sides are waiting for JT to end this and send them to binding arbitration. I'm surprised he's let it go on this long.
toronto.citynews.ca
Mediation efforts in Canada Post talks suspended as both sides 'far apart on critical issues'
Federal Minister of Labour Steven MacKinnon said as soon as productive bargaining resumes the special mediator will re-engage with both parties.
toronto.citynews.ca
layoffs start 2 clocks:
1. temp to permanent layoff which if employees are not remaining on health benefits or any other “pay” is 13 weeks. At that point, permanent layoff with severance.
2. recall rights - haven’t bothered reading the (now expired) CA but I assume 12-18 months.
on point 2:
-despite being laid off without an active CA, I have never seen a scenario where recall couldn’t be grieved and would honesty be a slam dunk win for the union in arbitration.
-recall rights are by seniority. Consideration of bad peformance and “troublemakers” is such a distant second it’s not worth the grievance fight. Union reps will always protect all members, even if they secretly agree about troublemakers. Bad faith bargaining laws apply to them too.
- scummy tactic? maybe… employees who say f*** it and find other work, then refuse recall when the time comes, aren’t usually owed anything. If t has now become “their choice”
