Re: BY By Tommy boy Ford kicked out!!
They're in Aisle 4, next to the bath mats.
They're in Aisle 4, next to the bath mats.
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Bye Bye Tommy boy Ford kicked out!!
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Re: BY By Tommy boy Ford kicked out!!
If you want to be rid of the stupid, self serving politicians first you have to get rid of the stupid self serving voters that elect them.
If you want to be rid of the stupid, self serving politicians first you have to get rid of the stupid self serving voters that elect them.
Bobwheel
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Re: BY By Tommy boy Ford kicked out!!
I'm much more interested in the spirit of the law as opposed to the letter of the law because we are not computers we are human beings with the ability to think and reason.
In this case he is trying to get donations for a charity. If he personally addressed it using blank paper as Rob Ford. The people he sent the letter to would know he is the mayor regardless if he used company letter head or not.
Asking him to repay the people who donated to a charity when he did not receive the money personally and does not have the money to give back to them is ridiculous.
In all of this his mistake was that he voted on the motion to make him pay it back. Not that he made the mistake in the first place. That mistake was not enough to get him kicked out of office.
Now Kyle Ray (yes I am just using him as an example) Threw a $10 000 going away party to himself with his office budget. Councilors who sat on the THC board saw all the wasteful spending and big executive pays of that board and did not speak up.
Rob Ford I can forgive and agree with in that he was not looking for anything other then charity money to help kids.
Kyle Ray is a crook that needs to pay back that money + interest.
I'm much more interested in the spirit of the law as opposed to the letter of the law because we are not computers we are human beings with the ability to think and reason.
In this case he is trying to get donations for a charity. If he personally addressed it using blank paper as Rob Ford. The people he sent the letter to would know he is the mayor regardless if he used company letter head or not.
Asking him to repay the people who donated to a charity when he did not receive the money personally and does not have the money to give back to them is ridiculous.
In all of this his mistake was that he voted on the motion to make him pay it back. Not that he made the mistake in the first place. That mistake was not enough to get him kicked out of office.
Now Kyle Ray (yes I am just using him as an example) Threw a $10 000 going away party to himself with his office budget. Councilors who sat on the THC board saw all the wasteful spending and big executive pays of that board and did not speak up.
Rob Ford I can forgive and agree with in that he was not looking for anything other then charity money to help kids.
Kyle Ray is a crook that needs to pay back that money + interest.
Re: BY By Tommy boy Ford kicked out!!
If you can forgive Ford, could you also forgive Ray if he spoke and voted on a motion to forgive his repayment of the funds?
If you can forgive Ford, could you also forgive Ray if he spoke and voted on a motion to forgive his repayment of the funds?
Re: BY By Tommy boy Ford kicked out!!
Perhaps, unless you read his own statements in the matter as he made them to the presiding judge. He indicated that it wasn't a 'mistake', but rather that he did exactly what he intended to do. He was repeatedly warned against it, before he did it. He ignored the warnings and acted in breach.
Unfortunately your statement is the sort of thing I refer to when I talk about, "But what about what the other guy did?" comments. Kyle Rae did what he did. Rob Ford did what he did. Wrong is wrong.
Perhaps, unless you read his own statements in the matter as he made them to the presiding judge. He indicated that it wasn't a 'mistake', but rather that he did exactly what he intended to do. He was repeatedly warned against it, before he did it. He ignored the warnings and acted in breach.
Unfortunately your statement is the sort of thing I refer to when I talk about, "But what about what the other guy did?" comments. Kyle Rae did what he did. Rob Ford did what he did. Wrong is wrong.
Re: BY By Tommy boy Ford kicked out!!
You must have a sore throat for having to repeat the true problem over and over again. I could send you some lozenges.
The original "Crime" in Ford's case is minor. The issue is his failure to take the rules seriously. Also don't you think he could find $3K in his own pocket to straighten out the mess. His own legal bills had to be many times that. He refuses to admit he was wrong.
On the other hand (And hijacking a thread) a council woman found DUI has accepted full responsibilty for her actions in a teary response. She may have downplayed the number of drinks but still bit the bullet. How should her irresponsibility be treated?
If DUI is a criminal offense how does that affect her eligibility in performing some potential duties?
You must have a sore throat for having to repeat the true problem over and over again. I could send you some lozenges.
The original "Crime" in Ford's case is minor. The issue is his failure to take the rules seriously. Also don't you think he could find $3K in his own pocket to straighten out the mess. His own legal bills had to be many times that. He refuses to admit he was wrong.
On the other hand (And hijacking a thread) a council woman found DUI has accepted full responsibilty for her actions in a teary response. She may have downplayed the number of drinks but still bit the bullet. How should her irresponsibility be treated?
If DUI is a criminal offense how does that affect her eligibility in performing some potential duties?
Re: BY By Tommy boy Ford kicked out!!
Precisely, though I would characterize it as a major improper act, brought on by a relatively minor action. Ford's default position on anything seems to be raising the ante, rather than admitting he's got nothing and folding his hand. When you lose, you lose BIG.
In his decision the sitting judge seemed to be looking for reasons to let Ford off but, with the evidence of Ford's own testimony, all avenues allowed by The Act were blocked. As there was only one possible penalty that could be applied, removal from office, that was what he had to rule.
I don't know that it will have any effect at all. It's not like councilors are bonded, or anything.
Precisely, though I would characterize it as a major improper act, brought on by a relatively minor action. Ford's default position on anything seems to be raising the ante, rather than admitting he's got nothing and folding his hand. When you lose, you lose BIG.
In his decision the sitting judge seemed to be looking for reasons to let Ford off but, with the evidence of Ford's own testimony, all avenues allowed by The Act were blocked. As there was only one possible penalty that could be applied, removal from office, that was what he had to rule.
I don't know that it will have any effect at all. It's not like councilors are bonded, or anything.
Re: BY By Tommy boy Ford kicked out!!
I thought there was a moral/ethical component to the councillors role and if convicted of a criminal offence while in office they were required to step down?
I thought there was a moral/ethical component to the councillors role and if convicted of a criminal offence while in office they were required to step down?
Re: BY By Tommy boy Ford kicked out!!
No, there is no such stipulation in the Toronto Municipal Code, though some areas do have a 'morals clause.' Unfortunately the type of moral offences involved is often left extremely vague.
No, there is no such stipulation in the Toronto Municipal Code, though some areas do have a 'morals clause.' Unfortunately the type of moral offences involved is often left extremely vague.
Bobwheel
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Re: BY By Tommy boy Ford kicked out!!
That is a silly comparison. One was soliciting money for a charity for at risk youth. The other threw himself a $10 000 going away party.
However if Kyle Ray apologized said he was wrong and repaid the city for the money he spent on himself. Yes I could forgive him.
That is a silly comparison. One was soliciting money for a charity for at risk youth. The other threw himself a $10 000 going away party.
However if Kyle Ray apologized said he was wrong and repaid the city for the money he spent on himself. Yes I could forgive him.
Re: BY By Tommy boy Ford kicked out!!
The silly comparison is saying that since Ford was forgiven for speeding at 110, why wasn't Ray punished for allegedly doing 140. What!?!
The silly comparison is saying that since Ford was forgiven for speeding at 110, why wasn't Ray punished for allegedly doing 140. What!?!
Re: BY By Tommy boy Ford kicked out!!
Now that's a silly comparison. Ford doesn't speed. He reads and talks on cell phones.
Now that's a silly comparison. Ford doesn't speed. He reads and talks on cell phones.
Re: BY By Tommy boy Ford kicked out!!
Anybody saw how Doug Ford grilled Adam Vaughan?
http://www.citynews.ca/2013/02/01/doug-ford-confronts-adam-vaughan-about-mayor-fords-audit/
:lmao:
I couldn't help LOLz
Ownz...
Anybody saw how Doug Ford grilled Adam Vaughan?
http://www.citynews.ca/2013/02/01/doug-ford-confronts-adam-vaughan-about-mayor-fords-audit/
:lmao:
I couldn't help LOLz
Ownz...
OpenGambit
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Re: BY By Tommy boy Ford kicked out!!
here is another idea. you know how you avoid having people witch hunt you about breaking the law?
don't break the law.
here is another idea. you know how you avoid having people witch hunt you about breaking the law?
don't break the law.
Re: BY By Tommy boy Ford kicked out!!
If you only see dollar figures, then try $40,000
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2013/02/01/toronto-ford-campaign-spending-report.html
Never mind the incompetence.
If you only see dollar figures, then try $40,000
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2013/02/01/toronto-ford-campaign-spending-report.html
Never mind the incompetence.
Re: BY By Tommy boy Ford kicked out!!
It's more than just the $40K.
“The audit revealed more than 100 apparent contraventions of the Municipal Elections Act, including the finding that Ford spent more than $40,000 above his legal spending limit. Additionally, the auditors found that Ford, in apparent contravention of election laws, accepted corporate donations, received a loan from Ford’s family company (Doug Ford Holding Inc.), and began spending money before the campaign was legally permitted.”
“What I’m saying is when we exceeded the limit by 3% (it) is because of the interpretation,” Ford said.
It's a wee bit more than just a difference in interpretation if you use family corporate holdings to obtain a zero interest loan that other candidates don't have access to, and that isn't permitted under The Act. It's far more than a small matter of a few percent in spending, if you begin to campaign before the campaign officially starts.
Why can't we have just one fiscally conservative politician who makes the side look good?
It's more than just the $40K.
“The audit revealed more than 100 apparent contraventions of the Municipal Elections Act, including the finding that Ford spent more than $40,000 above his legal spending limit. Additionally, the auditors found that Ford, in apparent contravention of election laws, accepted corporate donations, received a loan from Ford’s family company (Doug Ford Holding Inc.), and began spending money before the campaign was legally permitted.”
“What I’m saying is when we exceeded the limit by 3% (it) is because of the interpretation,” Ford said.
It's a wee bit more than just a difference in interpretation if you use family corporate holdings to obtain a zero interest loan that other candidates don't have access to, and that isn't permitted under The Act. It's far more than a small matter of a few percent in spending, if you begin to campaign before the campaign officially starts.
Why can't we have just one fiscally conservative politician who makes the side look good?
Re: BY By Tommy boy Ford kicked out!!
You're missing my point.
No question that Quebec might be #1 for corruption, but that means actual real corruption and a crime, not some cheesy mistake.
Only in Ontario would they waste the time and effort over something so minor and irrelevant, just because the crooked rich people hate him.
Let's focus on serious stuff that matters, they can use Quebec as an example.
Eventually, every province will start weeding these pirates out, anyone that spends government funds (taxpayers dollars) should be subject to strict auditing at all times.
Using the incorrect letterhead for a good cause, isn't something that affects any of us negatively.
You're missing my point.
No question that Quebec might be #1 for corruption, but that means actual real corruption and a crime, not some cheesy mistake.
Only in Ontario would they waste the time and effort over something so minor and irrelevant, just because the crooked rich people hate him.
Let's focus on serious stuff that matters, they can use Quebec as an example.
Eventually, every province will start weeding these pirates out, anyone that spends government funds (taxpayers dollars) should be subject to strict auditing at all times.
Using the incorrect letterhead for a good cause, isn't something that affects any of us negatively.
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