Bye bye JT….

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It's called politics. He's close to what we need,

No he’s not

everything he has ever done in his life before now SCREAMS conservative

No it’s not, was conveniently behind Trudy decision on climate policy

... so they found a conservative that was willing to be the head of the Liberal Party?

Not even close

?? I'd vote for him if he ran on the conservative ticket... why not as a liberal

Because you bleed liberal, every post you’ve made in the political forums bleed liberal

? I ain't voting for PP.

Nope not expecting you to, see comments on top of this one

My local conservative is a dick and I have to vote against her anyway.

A lifetime conservative running the liberal party:

Carbon carney was never a conservative

It MIGHT work. Is there is method to the madness (I HOPE). In some perverse way, it makes sense... or it makes perpetual argument where the liberals do even less than they do now. Who knows.
Maybe the liberal party will use him to show us they're "reining in" the party and becoming more centralist. A little less "save the unborn gay whales" and a little more business AND figure out how to keep the carbon tax.

This reasoning has already driven people deeper into poverty

Politics makes for strange bedfellows.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

He's close to what we need

We need even higher taxes? Speak for yourself. Change your narative to "I". None of the rest of us want anything to do with your "we" nonsense.

 

[mimico_polak]

We need even higher taxes? Speak for yourself. Change your narative to "I". None of the rest of us want anything to do with your "we" nonsense.

It's typically not a revenue generation issue that's the problem. It's the free for all spending problem that our politicians have.

This includes politicians from all stripers, but especially the red and white.

Spending money that isn't theirs like drunken sailors.

 

[mimico_polak]

Libs kicked him out of the race. He is considering a challenge as the party execs are leaning on the scales to select the "next prime minister of canada". Is he also delusional? If he mounts a substantive challenge to the process, that can hurt the libs even more.

Liberal leadership hopeful Chandra Arya says party did not approve his candidacy

Arya says in a statement on social media that he believes the party's decision raises "significant questions about the legitimacy of the leadership race."

toronto.citynews.ca

No wonder normal people can't put their names up. Who's got 250-350-500k just laying around to ENTER the race...let alone win.

It's a rich person's game. Not for the plebs.

 

[woot]

I trust conservatives with my money and Conservatives trust Mark Carney with their money, so....

I am a huge Stephen Harper fan, mainly for his handling of the recession. Carney was a big part at that. If you're going take a shot at Carney's record it is literally taking a shot at the Conservative's. Poilievre certainly can't be given any credit as he has only ever passed 1 bill in his entire career.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

No wonder normal people can't put their names up. Who's got 250-350-500k just laying around to ENTER the race...let alone win.

It's a rich person's game. Not for the plebs.

I'd be willing to push all in on a $350K e-transfer to Arya from Modi via proxy.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

Conservatives trust Mark Carney with their money.

That ship has sailed. Carney serves a different master now. PP has said if you're in the WEF you are no longer a sitting Conservative MP. Full stop.

 

[Mad Mike]

It's called politics. He's close to what we need, everything he has ever done in his life before now SCREAMS conservative... so they found a conservative that was willing to be the head of the Liberal Party??? I'd vote for him if he ran on the conservative ticket... why not as a liberal? I ain't voting for PP. My local conservative is a dick and I have to vote against her anyway.

I think this is a great 'average joe' perspective in Canada. 'I'd vote for him if he was on the ticket' says a lot about how the average Joe Canadian values charisma and credentials or leaders over their accomplishments in government. And how little value is placed on the party platform or track record of their leadership team.

I worry a lot about whether the party has the talent pool needed to run a country. The Cons are largely unknown. Liberals are well known, and the report card is dismal. I can't think of a single sitting Liberal cabinet minister that I'd hire to run something in our business - the talent pool of the current liberal party isn't deep enough.

A lifetime conservative running the liberal party: It MIGHT work. Is there is method to the madness (I HOPE). In some perverse way, it makes sense... or it makes perpetual argument where the liberals do even less than they do now. Who knows.

It won't work. You can't unwoke the Liberal party rank and file, and you can't run an organization as large as the federal gov't based on ideological principles that are not in the interest of the country or it's citizens.

Maybe the liberal party will use him to show us they're "reining in" the party and becoming more centralist. A little less "save the unborn gay whales" and a little more business AND figure out how to keep the carbon tax.
Politics makes for strange bedfellows.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. Carney will face the same fate as the last Liberal Superhero David Johnston. Their impeccable track records, education, and esteemed professional reputations did not help him through tough political maneuvers. Like Johnson, Carney has JT's taint all over him, his opponents (PP and CF) and his alliances (Guilbeault and Davos) will shake public confidence, and his unwillingness to deal head-on with public concerns will erode trust.

I predict he'll end up like Johnson by election day.

 

[Evoex]

No wonder normal people can't put their names up. Who's got 250-350-500k just laying around to ENTER the race...let alone win.

It's a rich person's game. Not for the plebs.

They allow you to devise a payment plan. It was $50 up front and probably a timeline to fork over the rest.

 

[Evoex]

I trust conservatives with my money and Conservatives trust Mark Carney with their money, so....

I am a huge Stephen Harper fan, mainly for his handling of the recession. Carney was a big part at that. If you're going take a shot at Carney's record it is literally taking a shot at the Conservative's. Poilievre certainly can't be given any credit as he has only ever passed 1 bill in his entire career.

Wasn't Carney Harper's pick to run BoC?

 

[GreyGhost]

They allow you to devise a payment plan. It was $50 up front and probably a timeline to fork over the rest.

Watching all of the bungling around the whole thing shows how incompetent they are. Drove up entry fee from 75 to 350 to try to minimize the contenders. First 50K is refundable if party kicks you out (so chandra got his name in the news but it didn't cost him). Then they said remaining money had to be deposited by a date. Oh, banks have holds? You can't get your money out? Sign a MOU that you will pay the money in the future and we'll let you run. What a crapshow.

 

[Evoex]

I think this is a great 'average joe' perspective in Canada. 'I'd vote for him if he was on the ticket' says a lot about how the average Joe Canadian values charisma and credentials or leaders over their accomplishments in government. And how little value is placed on the party platform or track record of their leadership team.

I've said similar things repeatedly on this forum. The average Canadian seem to need to 'like the guy' to vote for them. Irrespective of party platforms.

So once more;

The party will typically do what it always does, regardless of whose sitting in the PMO.

 

[Mad Mike]

Wasn't Carney Harper's pick to run BoC?

He was.

The BOC is supposed to be independent from political influence -- that's why the term. The BOC Governer can only be removed under very extraordinary circumstances of misconduct or incapacity.

Our current BOC governor Tiff Macklem broke long-standing tradition by adopting the PM's fiscal policy, abandoning the core values of the bank. Politicians call it cooperation, economists call it collusion - there's no other explanation as to how the BOC created the cash for JT to burn, and why it abandoned inflation control to support illogical govt fiscal policy.

 

[Shaman]

He's close to what we need, everything he has ever done in his life before now SCREAMS conservative...

He's not the same man he was 20 years ago. But more to the point, everything he's done in his life SCREAMS out-of-touch Elite that does not care about the people he had to step on to get where he is today. He's also at least twice as extreme about "climate change" than Trudeau, with a wife who actually wrote a book on carbon penalties that was one of the sources of Canada's carbon tax. He served as the "special climate envoy" for the UN. A member of the WEF and the WGF, and a Bilderberger.

It sounds to me that - and I am being honest, not trying to punch your ticket - you don't know who this guy actually is.

He doesn't give a single @#$& about you, and your voice means nothing to him. That means he won't be representing you. He won't be representing Canada. He'll be representing his activist ideals and enrichening his elite pals. Trudeau 3.0 with an even smugger smile and even more self-important friends.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

He's not the same man he was 20 years ago. But more to the point, everything he's done in his life SCREAMS out-of-touch Elite that does not care about the people he had to step on to get where he is today.

And don't expect any movement on shutting down the protests/outright calls for murder in the streets any time soon, either.

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[bitzz]

Carbon carney was never a conservative

This may come as a surprise to you, BUT the word "conservative" can be used to describe someone in a way that has no consideration to how they last voted.

Definition of CONSERVATIVE

of, relating to, or favoring a philosophy of conservatism, especially political conservatism and often also social conservatism; of or constituting a political party professing the principles of conservatism: such as; of or constituting a country's Conservative party… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

He was governor of Bank of Canada and the Bank of England, was on the board of GoldMan-Sachs: all pretty conservative jobs. as a rule, you have to be fairly conservative to work at a bank, ANY bank, in ANY position. Ever seen a bank teller with green hair? Tattoos in plain view?
No you haven't... because banks only hire conservative people, because banks are conservative institutions.
See how I describe things that NEVER/CANNOT vote as conservative?
Wonders of all wonders: There is a subset of people that have VERY conservative views that vote Liberal... or even Marxist-Leninist or NDP, or in the case of Mark Carney, lead the Liberal Party of Canada.
Yes, Mark Carney is a conservative, just not a member of the conservative party.

Because you bleed liberal, every post you’ve made in the political forums bleed liberal

Don't know where your getting your information from... but it's spurious.
i usually would call myself a conservative... BUT I have a real hard time voting for Canadian Federal Conservatives. I feel of late the federal conservatives have lost their way and no longer represent Canadian conservatives and have become the anti liberal party, with a wiff of "we act like Trump" thrown in just for "spice" AND PP and my local federal conservative are knobs, who both don't really have a platform other than WE AREN'T LIBERALS, if the Libs say white, those two say BLACK

But AGAIN, you seem to have pre-concieved notions and you seem to make grand sweeping proclamations with very little information, that, if you ask me, detracts from your arguments.
I'll make it easy for you: I'm neither liberal or conservative, I am a confirmed anarchist. Do I have to explain that or are you just gonna jump in and call me a terrorist... because you don't know what an anarchist is or believes. I believe any and all government stifles the human experience and growth. All government is evil. I don't want a left government, I don't want a right government, I want NO government... BUT I'm a grown up and I know that won't work because people will screw it up, because they're people... and that's what people do: screw things up, which is one BIG reason not to vote conservative, conservative fail to realize no matter how fool proof the plan is, people will always screw it up. It's what the human race does best: screw stuff up.
Boeing is perfect example: the "money men" convince the government they don't need "layered "quality control, convince the government they are able to "self police" quality control... then immediately can 3/4 of the quality control agents in the factory and planes start dropping out of the sky because while they were CAPABLE of self policing, they didn't self police... as a cost saving measure. That didn't work out as planned did it?
Want to talk about bank failures in the US... how many US banks have failed in the last 100 years? How many Canadian banks have failed? Wanna guess WHY?
It's stuff like that that makes conservatives vote liberal.
And try to ignore the FACT that the world sees Canada as a liberal country, so TRADITIONALLY if you want a say in federal Canadian politics, you vote liberal, because traditionally Canada has a liberal federal government lots of conservatives vote liberal because it's the only way to be heard.

Are you here to discuss the nomination of Mark Carney, or are you here to try to discredit me. The only post you have here (in this thread) is where you just said I am wrong, and offer nothing to back up that stance. You're not "discussing", you're taking pot shots. I'm here to discuss a topic and learn, you seem to be here to try to prop up your damaged ego by attacking me.
I'll play along, I'm bored and because your posts don't have a lot of content other than attack, you're pretty easy to troll. Try harder.

 

[bitzz]

A member of the WEF and the WGF, and a Bilderberger.

If you follow my posts in "51st State" you'll see that I think our elected leaders don't really represent us or run our countries.
Our countries ARE run by the "elites"
Electing Carney gets us a seat at the table where decisions are made.

My vote is not a protest, my vote is a concession to the elite. Eat 'em or join 'em. I'm too old to eat the rich... too much cholesterol.
The powers that be thought JT was joke, and they'll eat PP, Carney stands a chance. At least he knows the game AND he wants a bigger place in the world forum for Canada, which I think is a good thing.
I see the liberals having committed too much politics for the "ME", for "self actualization" and I think we need more government for the us (all Canadians) as a group. I'm not looking for a government that "props" me up, I'm looking for a government that allows ME to be all the ME I can be (if I want).

That and everyone else the liberal party has ponied up for nomination has some sort of political scarlet letter hung on them. That Chandra guy would be an national embarrassment.

 

[Mad Mike]

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He was governor of Bank of Canada and the Bank of England, was on the board of GoldMan-Sachs: all pretty conservative jobs. as a rule, you have to be fairly conservative to work at a bank, ANY bank, in ANY position. Ever seen a bank teller with green hair? Tattoos in plain view?

Say what? I spent a lot of years in Canada's biggest banks -- not my idea of a Con clubhouse! Their field of business tends to aligns with ideology and economic views, which might make one think they are Conservatives. Look at their woke level when it comes to social issues, social justice, and progressive policies and products. Then judge again.

DEI and virtually every HR policy is as woke as you could design it to be. The bank I worked for even choked on dress codes -- the written rule was no see-thru or sleeveless tops, skirts/shorts had to reach the knee -- and dress code was gender-neutral.

Walk into any branch today in the city - you'll see face piercings, sleeves, beards, and any hairstyle you can imagine. One of the fellows I worked with regularly sported his full gold grills.

No you haven't... because banks only hire conservative people, because banks are conservative institutions.

That's absolutely not true. A solid Con would have a hard time around the water cooler of any bank I've been in.

See how I describe things that NEVER/CANNOT vote as conservative?
Wonders of all wonders: There is a subset of people that have VERY conservative views that vote Liberal... or even Marxist-Leninist or NDP, or in the case of Mark Carney, lead the Liberal Party of Canada.
Yes, Mark Carney is a conservative, just not a member of the conservative party.

I would say Carney never identified with either party over his non-political career. Till recently, a non-binary politician with left leanings.

He operated as a technocrat with centrist views and focus on the economic health of our financial system. Carney's position on political leadership, climate and financial regulation are aligned with liberal and progressive positions. That's why he's running for the Liberal Party Leadership, advocating for increased gov't regulation, and prioritizing local environmental activism over Canadian's wellbeing.

I'll make it easy for you: I'm neither liberal or conservative, I am a confirmed anarchist. Do I have to explain that or are you just gonna jump in and call me a terrorist... because you don't know what an anarchist is or believes. I believe any and all government stifles the human experience and growth. All government is evil. I don't want a left government, I don't want a right government, I want NO government... BUT I'm a grown up and I know that won't work because people will screw it up, because they're people... and that's what people do: screw things up, which is one BIG reason not to vote conservative, conservative fail to realize no matter how fool proof the plan is, people will always screw it up. It's what the human race does best: screw stuff up.

You're in a pickle! An Anarchist who doesn't trust gov't and doesn't trust the proletariat to operate without one.

 

[Mad Mike]

If you follow my posts in "51st State" you'll see that I think our elected leaders don't really represent us or run our countries.
Our countries ARE run by the "elites"
Electing Carney gets us a seat at the table where decisions are made.

My vote is not a protest, my vote is a concession to the elite. Eat 'em or join 'em. I'm too old to eat the rich... too much cholesterol.
The powers that be thought JT was joke, and they'll eat PP, Carney stands a chance. At least he knows the game AND he wants a bigger place in the world forum for Canada, which I think is a good thing.
I see the liberals having committed too much politics for the "ME", for "self actualization" and I think we need more government for the us (all Canadians) as a group. I'm not looking for a government that "props" me up, I'm looking for a government that allows ME to be all the ME I can be (if I want).

That and everyone else the liberal party has ponied up for nomination has some sort of political scarlet letter hung on them. That Chandra guy would be an national embarrassment.

I like to think democracy is not dead, and that despite unequal access to political leaders, elites are nudging the agenda because they can, not outright controlling it because they can't. I'm not so sure they want to make the agenda, probably trying to make sure it doesn't harm them.

Zuckerberg is a simple example. Censorship/Free Speech is a political football - progressives (Dems/Libs) in power wanted it squelched so Zuck puts left biased moderators in place and funds their PACs to keep the Libs out of his shorts. The pendulum swings, Cons now rule the roost and the mods are gone so free speech prevails and he now sends funds to GOP's coffers so the cons keep their hands out of his shorts.

Most of the tech magnates are in the same situation... except Musk, I think he's just clown-crazy.

The list of meddlers is a bit bigger than the Soros and Koch types who fund PACs in a means that puts their finger on the scales of elections. I think they do get wins and paybacks but I'm doubtful they have their hands on the stick.

I can only hope for a modicum of good public service in people like Polievere.

 

[Evoex]

BUT I have a real hard time voting for Canadian Federal Conservatives. I feel of late the federal conservatives have lost their way and no longer represent Canadian conservatives and have become the anti liberal party, with a wiff of "we act like Trump" thrown in just for "spice" AND PP and my local federal conservative are knobs, who both don't really have a platform other than WE AREN'T LIBERALS, if the Libs say white, those two say BLACK

Why do you feel the opposition has any business having a platform? It's not an election, their business is to hold the sitting government to account, not present midea scrums with 'when we're in government this is what we would change. Doesn't mean squat until people are at the polls.

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