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toshison
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While you are on your hate-a-thon. Please, don't forget to include RIM's very founder, Mike Lazaridis. You know, that guy that despite recent tough times, is still a successful multi-millionaire while you are wasting away posting pointless comments about a company you have no stake in to an audience that by now probably wonders what is wrong with you.
killerkeith
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LMAO! For realzzz!
awyala
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You're right...these forums of varying degrees of seriousness, silliness, and all round useless communication are misspent energy. I probably could have been a millionaire if were not for this forum. I suppose you're a multimillionaire, all be it not a billionaire due to the conservative amount of time you spend on this forum.
I suppose the best position to be in is to be the generator of such useless communication forums, wherein I can cash in on all the delusional self important tweeters or Fbookers.
I also ran a forum once....a Vbulletin one...and found that to be a far bigger waste of time than the odd silly comment in my spare time. I concede I didn't hit the big time like Zuckerburg, Doresy, or Anderson.
But you're right, there is something wrong with me seeing as I have not amassed billions of dollars corralling the other billions of people (with something wrong with them for having futile opinions being expressed).
Have a victory lap when you zing me like this...till then...
http://mashable.com/2012/12/20/myspace-co-founder-offers-devastating-reply-to-twitter-critic/
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Agreed, many companies have made the mistake of not marketing their flashy new products properly and paid the price... I still have a palm pre phone somewhere in my house
killerkeith
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This is the only move I didn't understand. What does Alicia Keys know about marketing? It does explain why I didn't get the job.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/story/2013/01/30/blackberry-alicia-keys-creative-director.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/story/2013/01/30/blackberry-alicia-keys-creative-director.html
LOL
I can just see awyala sitting in his basement with his brand new out of the box HUD goggles trying to go super sayan.
killerkeith
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awyala
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The oxymoron about the personal / work feature is that a corporate IT department can wipe the work side of the phone if an employee leaves, which is good for corporate but ultimately just as bad as it always was for the personal side if the phone is provided by corporate. The personal side gives a false sense of security to the user, as being tied to the same phone number still leaves the user exposed to having to go through the trouble of notifying all contacts of a new number. The only way around this is either a cloud like contact data base, where one can leave a company, get a new phone and have their cloud referenced details updated across all their contacts across any platform.
The new personal / work split still leaves the user or bb issued employee vulnerable. When bringing a personal phone over to corporate that's different as the number is personal as are all contacts and the contract is subsedized by the company. Kind of defeats the purpose of a BB though as they were not known for being brought over by individuals and more known for being issued to individuals! So aside from protecting corporate from leaked data, it really does nothing for the individual.
That being said, as said by others, most companies and agencies no longer require the level of security BB has us believing. Very few senior personnel will see any advantage to the work / personal split.
Now....if corporate allows the individual to keep their phone and number...then the work / personal split could be advantageous, as an employee could be severed and no blow back will hit the company and the individual wont feel umbilically cut.
Otherwise you're right....2 sims need to be supported so the 2 phone work around can be achieved. The personal / work feature is not an adequate work around for the individual and more a very very niche IT security thing.
awyala
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That's a great mantra...
"Blackberry Z10....buy it to spite Samsung, Google, and Apple and maybe we can have hope of levelling with the former spite inspiring Microsoft...oh and that motorcycle forum guy too!"
better yet...
"Spite for bronze!"
I know.. isn't it awesome?
My only real complaint is the march release in the US (not that I think RIM scratch that BLACKBERRY had any control over that.. but that's definitely what tanked the stock) I'm happy I get to pick mine up on Tuesday, and I'm confident those who don't panic and sell will be rewarded so long as they hold out until the devices are in stores.
awyala
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LOL
I can just see awyala sitting in his basement with his brand new out of the box HUD goggles trying to go super sayan.
By the way 40 years ago this was in the realm of nerd chic....and yet it was the near future.
And yet, this idea is too far fetched to be cool? Especially seeing how far the vision of a communicator and tri-corder have become refined till today?
Hmmm maybe you're right, the tech trends and momentum are not on this trajectory...Google is fumbling in the dark on this one.
Typical bb fanboi logic as embodied in a firm that took 7 years to make all touch phone!!!!! Well I am being a bit cruel here as they did attempt it in 2010 with the reluctant, much hyped Torch. But then again perhaps it is best we don't mention that massive flop. Let's keep the flop count restricted to the PB lest we highlight a disastrous trend and face the truth. Aside from short term short share profits BB has not displayed any ability to identify, capitalize and lead any trend since 2007! Well on second thought I am being kind, RIM not only missed the touch phone by at least 6 to 7 years, they missed it by 11 damn years!!! Have a look at the HTC Wallaby / XDA from 2002!!! Apple didn't surprise anyone with the iPhone considering that by 2007 there was enough hindsight care of the XDA and the stubborn fall of Palm despite their eventual uptake of the Smartphone niche that BB snatched from them!!!!, also as HTC was advancing the market (realizing the dream of the PDA & cellphone combo!) and as was Samsung, chasing hot on the heals of Apple with the Omnia and previous F490 in early 2008! The irony is that where Palm failed to act on trends and lagged in responding the the Windows CE PDA market rival, so too has RIM lagged in responding to ALL OTHER touch smartphone and OS makers. I can forgive RIM for not spotting the XDA trend, even missing the premature 3G network in the UK...but to then take a further 6 years after the iPhone?!?!?! And for what? to merely catch up? and not provide any vision of future development? So in this sector, aside from a total revamp, who has come back from rock bottom like this before? Any of you expect the onslaught of product innovation and elegant ground breaking trend setting design of Apple? Even Apple is hurting after the loss of their guru!
BB10 is no indication of anything other than a very very slow to market copy of everything else out there. But yeah, you have certainly correctly identified developments like Google Glass as "uncool".
You should make sure to place that very high up on the CV you submit for a director role at BB.
I wonder how you fared in the paradigm shifts of digital photography vs film , action cameras vs slrs, camera phones vs quick cams, mp3s vs controlled formats, gps vs paper gas station maps, the Yellow pages vs internet searches, email vs snail mail and faxes, debit vs cash, and the mobile phone vs the landline. Were you one of those kids that hated Zack Morris? Come on Slater fess up.
How you hanging in there with your record player, rotary phone, type writer, paper map, letter, Kodak disposable camera, phone book, Rolodex, cheque book, and calling card collection? How hipster nostalgic cool you must be! Just like Steam Punks, I'm sure Analongers might be hip soon enough; you certainly spotted that trend, now you just need to invest in it.
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awyala
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So yeah....not to flame on BB10 too much...alone and out of context, it looks mid pack comparable. But considering context who is willing to lock in for $200 and a 3 year contract given what is peaking around the corner? Even Apple stock is tumbling on fears of nothing innovative in the pipeline. Could that be BB's saving grace; a possible industry plateau or period of stagnation and consolidation?
Judging by the likes of Google, the Samsung development juggernaut and Moore's law now applying to the mobile sector despite a global recession!!!!! I don't even see how Apple's hype correction as playing into RIM / BB's hands.
Judging by the likes of Google, the Samsung development juggernaut and Moore's law now applying to the mobile sector despite a global recession!!!!! I don't even see how Apple's hype correction as playing into RIM / BB's hands.
OpenGambit
Banned
I have a mechanical watch. Whats your point really?
I have a google phone +3 apps. It's from 2010 and it was free with a plan. It's worked every time I have used it if it's been in range of a tower.
Had a BB years back and it jammed and rebooted at every inconvenient time so I'm not a fan. Nothing political. I have a Curve from work. I like my phone better and it's older.
Google will sell that thing just like Nintendo sold the power glove but you'll pay $1500 for it.
Compared to the technology it's washed down from that's cheap but it's a beta of easily breakable crap on hipster glass frames.
No where close to Ironman bud. Just years later trickle down tech as a fad for kids to out iPad each other with. You're not really in that demographic. Zack Morris and all.
This is how you go super sayan.
But you have to be one of the cool kids. Screech.
You're really hyped about that watch arent u?
Sent from my Phone, dont judge the grammar
awyala
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The bottom line of my point....and to bring this back to the positive / lessons to be learned for the future realm...is that ultimately we all want the best for BB, or at least a Canadian company. And if nothing else it may have been a great ride and there are some great take aways from the BB saga, even if they sound negative from first glance.
To tie this back to Motorcyces, which is really why we are all here on this forum, I would like to draw a counter parallel to a small, regional national firm that turned things around and developed a recovery strategy and kicked it off despite only inklings of a possible downward decent....Ducati!
Small, patriotic, over hyped, defined the Superbike class through the early naughties, and kind of coasted through the late 1098/1198 phase. They developed an aggressive strategy through the recession in the direct face of the BMW domination of the performance of the SS class, and the giants of Honda and Yamaha!
Ducati strategically targeted a new market (the US), picked up a second rate rider (Nicky), a likely has been, with hidden potential (Checa), launched the bloated (by European standards) Diavel, innovated and turned the Multistrada into the Swiss Army knife of bikes, one on the back of the success of the other, culminating in the dramatically over hyped Panigale.
In the end no one product of theirs is superior to their competition, even the Panigale! But in the end their strategy was never to be number 3, and they capitalized on their zealously loyal fan base, and aesthetic pedigree. They ramped up the life style marketing and went from strength to strength. Aprilia did well too, but Ducati didn't have a economic safety net of Piaggio, and they knew they couldn't rely on the 3rd world or developing markets to save them!
Was a buy out in the cards? Damn sure it was, just like it was for MV Agusta and Buell. But where those 2 outfits were powerless to chart their own paths under Harley, Ducati groomed themselves for cherry picked buyout by the power house Audi!
My hope would have been to see RIM make similar moves. It wasn't necessary for a total revamp like Apple. RIM was never that crushed and their stock tumble was as much negative hype as the recent rally has been positive hype. But at the same time RIM really hasn't done anything in the way of Ducati.
a) RIM needs to aggressively target a leading market, even if it means leaving their comfort zone. Launching late in the US was not wise.
b) RIM needs to innovate and develop a new bench mark product or tech that will feed into a new line of development stream....like Ducati's electronic suspension or frameless design for example. Despite it not proving to be a game changer, the perception of innovation at the very least has endeared people to Ducati rather than sticking with that stubborn trellis frame!
c) Don't put all their eggs into one basket. Rossi flopped, but Nicky succeeded. Ducati was able to weather such a setback by diversifying their target demographic. RIM needs to be able to buffet a potential set back in the coming months! What is their back up plan?
d) Despite the circling of the vultures, RIM needs to at least plan for an advantageous buy out, not a cop out with shoulders shrugged. I'll credit BB with seeking options in that regard but even a groomed buy out needs some staging and presentation. The "make or break" attitude of BB is not the right approach. Ducati never proposed the Diavel or the Multistrada as a make or break move, even if behind closed doors it was.
Bottom line is that BB doesn't really need to out perform their competitors in terms of their product if they can follow the Ducati model. The question is if they have that kind of strategy and vision in their ranks to buy another 2 years to then be in a position to be merged or be an innovator again.
Were any of you convinced today by that presentation that they have such minds in their ranks? FFS the phones weren't even appealing!!!!!! Nothing sexy and alluring about them! That was an easy opportunity to appeal to form over function the way Ducati arouses passion!
