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Nyx13 said:
Same point applies though. He made the comment publicly and his page was visible (she states she clicked on the hyperlink to his page).
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I don't disagree. I am just pointing out that making a post on your own page is different from making a post on someone else's page (People seemed to have assumed he made it on his own page). The expectation of privacy on that is pretty much non-existent.
 
OpenGambit said:
I don't disagree. I am just pointing out that making a post on your own page is different from making a post on someone else's page (People seemed to have assumed he made it on his own page). The expectation of privacy on that is pretty much non-existent.
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I don't see how privacy has anything to do with this. I don't think he was expecting any privacy. Free speech and labor laws are not about how well you can hide your opinions.
 
daught said:
I don't see how privacy has anything to do with this. I don't think he was expecting any privacy. Free speech and labor laws are not about how well you can hide your opinions.
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Kindly point to the free speech law (of any source) that you feel is applicable to this situation.
 
People here are gonna tell me they all havent ever said anything rude, misplaced, hurtful or explicit in a public place that could have been reported to your employer?

Now do you think it would be fair for you to be fired for something like that happening outside of your work?
You cutting off someone is something dangerous, and can cause an accident, might even kill someone, but do you see your employer checking your driving record when its totally unrelated to your line of work?

Im just saying his work, and voicing his opinion about that suicide is totally unrelated.
Basically if that lady had minded her own business and just reported it to facebook it wouldve been "dealt with" at the same level. But to go to the employer?!?!?!
How doesa post on facebook relate to contacting a retail store where the person works?
 
The idiot that posted said he was looking to "stir the pot" and running a "social experiment"\

so now he has a well stirred pot and the results of his experiment are in. Karma's a *****.
 
RandomHero said:
Got to love witch hunts. God some people are pathetic. Well I guess the same people who are fine with this idiot getting fired are also fine with regular drug test and **** like that. I mean apparently it's everyone's business what you do these days and god forbid you aren't a model citizen.

I just find it funny how everyone is pretending to be concious of bullying now, yet this guy is basically being bullied for posting a stupid comment. If the person who ratted him out kept their mouth shut then I doubt his comments would have reached anyone who would've been hurt by them.
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I'm not sure if you read the article completely - he posted his comment on Amanda's memorial FB page. If there are people who are gonna be hurt by those kinds of comments - that's likely where they'd be. He admittedly posted the comment to "stir the pot". It's not that some random woman found his FB page, saw his comment, and then ratted on him.

I think this is a good example of social Darwinism.
 
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short stop said:
I'm not sure if you read the article completely - he posted his comment on Amanda's memorial FB page. If there are people who are gonna be hurt by those kinds of comments - that's likely where they'd be. He admittedly posted the comment to "stir the pot". It's not that some random woman found his FB page, saw his comment, and then ratted on him.

I think this is a good example of social Darwinism.
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i am starting to think that some people just dont get it on this site....he posted his comment on Amanda's memorial FB page.... ..... He didn't hide it on his facebook Page.... he made it WORLD WIDE.....
 
There are consequences for actions.

The internet is not anonymous.

The internet is permanent.

People will regret devaluing their privacy.

Common sense is not so common.

Civility is a lost art.
 
I know where he posted it. I browsed it for a few minutes. I saw one guy talking **** by luck. The amount of comments that were being posted there would mean that his stupid post would have been buried by insincere "this is horrible" posts within a matter of minutes. If the lady didn't make a big stink about it I doubt more than a few people would have even read his comment.

I still think it's pathetic that the media decided to make a big stink of the whole situation. So this guy shouldn't be allowed to find employment now because he said something rude? Give me a break.
 
OpenGambit said:
Kindly point to the free speech law (of any source) that you feel is applicable to this situation.
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The charter of rights and freedoms. Regardless, the onus is on the employer to find just cause to fire him. Don't get me wrong, I don't like or agree with what he said, but he did not break any law. Companies cant just fire someone because they don't agree with their views.
 
daught said:
Companies cant just fire someone because they don't agree with their views.
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In what universe? It happens all the time.
But most companies will blame something else, something they invent, about your performance in order to fire you.

All this talk about the Charter makes me laugh. The real world does not function based on the Charter. And most of us don't have the money to argue otherwise in court.
 
What is not clear one way or another... did he make the posting from or while AT work. Otherwise I think he has a case for wrongful dismissal. He is a massive jerk (and this is an understatement) don't get me wrong. But it is pretty hard to fire someone for something that was not illegal they did outside of work.

Only case they would have is he had his employer listed on the account he posted from so he was somehow representing them on FB, but that is a stretch.
 
daught said:
The charter of rights and freedoms.
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You want to argue with made up facts, fine. I am not going to post it a 3rd time.
 
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daught said:
The charter of rights and freedoms. Regardless, the onus is on the employer to find just cause to fire him. Don't get me wrong, I don't like or agree with what he said, but he did not break any law. Companies cant just fire someone because they don't agree with their views.
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My bet is if he took it legal he looses anyways....any court system would come down hard on him for saying what he said and for his actions and poor judment on life .........
 
backmarkerducati said:
Only case they would have is he had his employer listed on the account he posted from so he was somehow representing them on FB, but that is a stretch.
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Well, not really. He chose to put his employer in his profile so in a way he comes off as representative of that company. The company has a right to defend their reputation and someone appearing to represent them that way is damaging.

Not saying I agree with them firing him but at the same time he put them in a position where they basically had to say either no, we don't share his opinion or yes, we support it....

I can be held accountable for my actions (conduct) outside of work. It's in my contract.
 
D23 said:
...The company has a right to defend their reputation and someone appearing to represent them that way is damaging...

I can be held accountable for my actions (conduct) outside of work. It's in my contract.
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True. As an example, our company has an IT Policy that all employees must sign upon employment. Here's an excerpt:

"All employees must protect [COMPANY NAME]'s electronic assets from loss, damage or theft, use electronic research and communication tools responsibly and avoid any activities that would compromise [COMPANY NAME]'s operational effectiveness, business or reputation." (*)

And that is not limited to the company's equipment or only when I'm at work. I could very well get fired for being a jackass on FB at home, if it becomes a problem for the credibility or reputation of my employer.

Which is exactly why my employment details is not listed on FB.

(*) Granted, that's not black and white, but that's where lawyers usually comes into the picture.
 
wormburner said:
In what universe? It happens all the time.
But most companies will blame something else, something they invent, about your performance in order to fire you.

All this talk about the Charter makes me laugh. The real world does not function based on the Charter. And most of us don't have the money to argue otherwise in court.
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wormburner said:
In what universe? It happens all the time.
But most companies will blame something else, something they invent, about your performance in order to fire you.

All this talk about the Charter makes me laugh. The real world does not function based on the Charter. And most of us don't have the money to argue otherwise in court.
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But that's not the case here. He was fired because of his statement, not performance or something half legit.

Involving money in this argument, is pointless. You can break just about any law if you have enough money. Even if you don't get away with it, the repercussions will be smaller. I was discussing the legality of what the company did.
 
Looking at labor law this seems like this might apply:

The notice of termination and termination pay requirements of the ESA do not apply to an employee who:

is guilty of wilful misconduct, disobedience or wilful neglect of duty that is not trivial and has not been condoned by the employer. Note: "wilful" includes when an employee intended the resulting consequence or acted recklessly knowing the effects their conduct would have. Poor work conduct that is accidental or involuntary is generally not considered wilful.


It's kind of a far stretch to consider his FB comment wilful misconduct at Mr. Big & Tall.
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