Are men more "feminine" today?

Are men more "feminine" today?

  • Yes

    Votes: 55 73.3%

  • Perhaps/Maybe

    Votes: 17 22.7%

  • No

    Votes: 3 4.0%
  • Total voters
    75
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I agree, its not about paying for things...

That feeling is a necessity, someone needs to be able to give that to you or they aren't worth it. Trust me. ^^
I wish you the best.
 
OpenGambit said:
I agree, its not about paying for things...

That feeling is a necessity, someone needs to be able to give that to you or they aren't worth it. Trust me. ^^
I wish you the best.
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That's a huge factor when I'm deciding if I want to be around someone. Some girls are just another friend, and then there are the odd few that I for some unkown reason fall in to a protective role for and feel some sort of responsibility to make sure they are ok. If I don't feel that way then I know it's not someone I would care enough for when things get rough.
 
Charly said:
If a guy spends more time in the bathroom than me he's not making the cut. I'm pretty dam low maintenance too.

But this is about more than grooming habits. When I'm doing all the yardwork year round, working full time, cooking, cleaning, painting and installing flooring by myself while the man is glued to video games it's not a relationship any more.

YEs I'm bitter and no man will tempt me again. I can hire a male escort and be perfectly happy on my own!
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Girly I am with you. Pretty boys I call them. 75% of guys are pretty boys these days. This girl isnt attracted to pretty boys. Do I think some look good, sure... but after about a week I cant deal with it anymore. In Gilligans words "play with them then put them back on the shelf". If I want 'pretty' I'd bring home a chic.

rmemedic said:
Gotta admit, I shave/trim certain spots and I'm not really a hairy guy... I just like to be clean and presentable in those places if a situation happens. Unibrow isn't allowed so that gets plucked every so often, and work requires me to keep my hair how I do (which I like anyways). But, some go way too far, and around here they get poked on for it.


You obviously haven't met a country boy. I have a PS3, but hardly know how to do anything but turn it on and off, those 13 year old kids pwn me so I don't bother. Only game I ever play is one that basically teaches me guitar, so really I'm just jamming, which I do without my console.
Grew up installing flooring, working on a farm, had "chores" around the house as I was the "man" with a single mom, always had some type of jeep/truck/sled/bike to play with and work on, and now I've moved on to include fixing really physically messed up people, had jobs building houses and doing renovations, so I'm a handy dude... And better yet, I would rather be out in the garage all greasy fixing stuff, or out in the yard getting a sweat on enjoying the sun doing some work than trapped in the house staring at the tube... I'll save that for the crappy winter days that I'm not out skiing or sledding.

On topic, I think most guys are too feminized. If you're afraid to get dirty, play rough, sweat, or care about what tag is on the collar of your shirt, you're too girly.
If you have no spine then you don't deserve to walk around with ILS (invisible Lat syndrome).
If you don't stand up for what you believe in, OR have the balls to admit you were wrong and apologize and truly mean it.
If you wouldn't risk yourself or make a sacrifice to help someone truly in need.
If you don't treat people with respect:
You are NOT a MAN.

Being a man isn't about the show you put on, or how you look. It's the person you are on the inside, that you put forward for the world to see with no GAF.
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Medic and Roasted, you two hit the nail right on the happy spot lol. Your both truly get it.

Roasted said:
This is going to sound harsh but ain't it ironic that a thread about the emasculation of men degenerated into a bunch of guys taking about how butt-hurt they are about their past relationships?
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Yep. And this is actually showing their 'feminine' side.

What I like in a guy, is someone who does what he can to take care of me. Helps me and tries to be my knight in shining armor etc. When I find a guy like that (and that spot is filled btw) I in turn do what I can to show him how much he means to me, and how much I appreciate all that he does. I'll cook for him, clean. Generally try to take care of him and be supportive with ever part of my being. I have only met one guy who have retaining the chivalry traits, even little things my dad would always say its a mans job to do.

When I broke up with my ex, my Uncles were all talking about how I had to find a 'real' man, but I was ****ed because there were none anymore.

That being said, I know a lot of girls are getting lazy on that end of the scale. And yes btw I work full time and have a part time job and I can still find time to send off a box of cookies once in a while. They want a man to take care of them, yet are unwilling to spend time and effort to show how much that is worth to them. Or rather they feel they are due all this special treatment and dont have enough respect to reciprocate.

Medic, in your shoes, seeing the abusive guy I would have run over also. Grabbed something heavy on my way also if I felt I needed to. Jail time is better than seeing someone get beaten like that and not doing something. His 'friends' deserve to be beaten also for putting up with it.
 
Interesting read.

IMHO, the answer is yes. The cause? Poor parenting.

My generation was brought up with tough love, we were expected to perform things called chores, the side effects were getting comfortable with getting dirty, touching 'nasty' things, building muscle while learning tools and basic principles, getting scars, learning how to be a good loser and learning from your mistakes. DUck the chores and expect to be punished, something that if it doesn;t leave a mark will make you think twice about sitting down.

Hit a girl? I'll be the first to smack you even if I think you can beat me up.

Checking out my godson's generation.... no muscle unless it's built in a nice clean gymn, no callouses or scars, hair gel, primping and preening, hell, even the music is castrated, why learn to play a nasty guitar when you can sample, dubstep and auto-tune?. Media continues this change as all father figures are made out to be clueless idiots who couldn't build a dog house let alone figure out how to avoid sleeping in one. Chores? Lucky if you get dishes to the sink. Fear of parents? They better fear the law, I know my rights.....

We're raising a generation mamma's boys who know more about gaming and grooming than tools, moral and chivalry!!!

/soapbox
 
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:notworthy: Valid argument
 
fastar1 said:
What I read.
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Dude your welcome to read what you want. If that is your dream, all the power to ya just not gonna be with me lol.
 
Are men more "feminine" today?
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Yes. Why? because women demand it. We men are simple beings. Most of us will do anything and everything to get some. But there are always excpetions to that rule...
 
CruiserGoneSport said:
Interesting read.

IMHO, the answer is yes. The cause? Poor parenting.

My generation was brought up with tough love, we were expected to perform things called chores, the side effects were getting comfortable with getting dirty, touching 'nasty' things, building muscle while learning tools and basic principles, getting scars, learning how to be a good loser and learning from your mistakes. DUck the chores and expect to be punished, something that if it doesn;t leave a mark will make you think twice about sitting down.

Hit a girl? I'll be the first to smack you even if I think you can beat me up.

Checking out my godson's generation.... no muscle unless it's built in a nice clean gymn, no callouses or scars, hair gel, primping and preening, hell, even the music is castrated, why learn to play a nasty guitar when you can sample, dubstep and auto-tune?. Media continues this change as all father figures are made out to be clueless idiots who couldn't build a dog house let alone figure out how to avoid sleeping in one. Chores? Lucky if you get dishes to the sink. Fear of parents? They better fear the law, I know my rights.....

We're raising a generation mamma's boys who know more about gaming and grooming than tools, moral and chivalry!!!

/soapbox
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I agree, but you forgot parents letting adult children live at home...for free.
 
CruiserGoneSport said:
Interesting read.

IMHO, the answer is yes. The cause? Poor parenting.

My generation was brought up with tough love, we were expected to perform things called chores, the side effects were getting comfortable with getting dirty, touching 'nasty' things, building muscle while learning tools and basic principles, getting scars, learning how to be a good loser and learning from your mistakes. DUck the chores and expect to be punished, something that if it doesn;t leave a mark will make you think twice about sitting down.

Hit a girl? I'll be the first to smack you even if I think you can beat me up.

Checking out my godson's generation.... no muscle unless it's built in a nice clean gymn, no callouses or scars, hair gel, primping and preening, hell, even the music is castrated, why learn to play a nasty guitar when you can sample, dubstep and auto-tune?. Media continues this change as all father figures are made out to be clueless idiots who couldn't build a dog house let alone figure out how to avoid sleeping in one. Chores? Lucky if you get dishes to the sink. Fear of parents? They better fear the law, I know my rights.....

We're raising a generation mamma's boys who know more about gaming and grooming than tools, moral and chivalry!!!

/soapbox
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Agreed. Especially kids born after the '90s are having serious problems in what you have described. They deserve to to be put through an old school Clint Eastwood hardas$ type of training and care.
 
killerkeith said:
I agree, but you forgot parents letting adult children live at home...for free.
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I've been reading this thread for a while. I participated in the jokes but didn't participate in the serious side of things till now.

I do agree with some of the stuff said, but there are always two ways of looking at things.
About your point of children living at home for free... After paying for university and professional studies, I was so much in debt that living at home was the only way for me to be able to pay my bills and not go bankrupt. I worked hard, paid off my debts and then moved out. So like I said, two ways to look at it.

As for not doing chores and not getting dirty etc etc... There are kids who are brilliant programmers and have come up game changing ideas because they were into video games and computers etc. So at the end of the day, I think it comes to individual up bringing. Some parents are lazy and don't bother teaching kids the value of life, money, hard work, respect for themselves, respect for others.

The reason i thought of the whole situation from a different prespective is because I use to know a kid in Highschool. Sucked at sports, sucked at making things in Shop class, definitely wasn't a "cool" kid, always got picked on and teased and would rather talk about and play videogames than anything else under the sun. But he use to have his own business in high school. He used to fix computers for elderly people. Now he's close to being a millionaire making apps for iPhones and Android phones. His parents always taught him to be respectful and hardworking.

Just how I see things. When I have kids (boys or girls), I will try to teach them skills that I have learnt, and try to get them to learn valuable skills others can teach, but at the end of the day the most valuable thing to teach them would be Respect, Humility, Dignity, Dedication and Loyalty.
 
I've with stupid ^. School is more expensive than ever, and so is housing in Toronto. People also don't get married at 20 years old like they used to so have to do the moving out on a single income or wait till they get hitched. Staying with parents through most of your 20's is the only logical choice for many in Toronto.
 
TheNewDude said:
I've been reading this thread for a while. I participated in the jokes but didn't participate in the serious side of things till now.

I do agree with some of the stuff said, but there are always two ways of looking at things.
About your point of children living at home for free... After paying for university and professional studies, I was so much in debt that living at home was the only way for me to be able to pay my bills and not go bankrupt. I worked hard, paid off my debts and then moved out. So like I said, two ways to look at it.

As for not doing chores and not getting dirty etc etc... There are kids who are brilliant programmers and have come up game changing ideas because they were into video games and computers etc. So at the end of the day, I think it comes to individual up bringing. Some parents are lazy and don't bother teaching kids the value of life, money, hard work, respect for themselves, respect for others.

The reason i thought of the whole situation from a different prespective is because I use to know a kid in Highschool. Sucked at sports, sucked at making things in Shop class, definitely wasn't a "cool" kid, always got picked on and teased and would rather talk about and play videogames than anything else under the sun. But he use to have his own business in high school. He used to fix computers for elderly people. Now he's close to being a millionaire making apps for iPhones and Android phones. His parents always taught him to be respectful and hardworking.

Just how I see things. When I have kids (boys or girls), I will try to teach them skills that I have learnt, and try to get them to learn valuable skills others can teach, but at the end of the day the most valuable thing to teach them would be Respect, Humility, Dignity, Dedication and Loyalty.
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The lesson is just do do what you are love and are good at, and you'll make plenty of money. The working hard part comes pretty easy when the first 2 are taken care of.

I never moved back home after graduation because I got a good job in my first year of law school. I actually carry my student loan debt on purpose ( because its "good" debt- comparatively ). But I definately see why people would ( and should ) live at home. The most important thing to focus on when you are young is getting debt free and building your own net worth. Paying tons of rent and building someone elses net worth before you even have a steady income is a dumb thing to do financially and ripples through your life. All to satisfy someone's elses idea of independence? when they didn't grow up into record tuition rates and multipiers of home price? why? When you have parents that will help you out, use it. take every advantage you got.
 
Roasted said:
I've with stupid ^. School is more expensive than ever, and so is housing in Toronto. People also don't get married at 20 years old like they used to so have to do the moving out on a single income or wait till they get hitched. Staying with parents through most of your 20's is the only logical choice for many in Toronto.
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You are using Toronto logic. Life outside Toronto is very affordable and in most cases, you can do the same job in any other city in Canada. Moving out sometimes means moving away too.
 
CruiserGoneSport said:
Interesting read.

IMHO, the answer is yes. The cause? Poor parenting.

My generation was brought up with tough love, we were expected to perform things called chores, the side effects were getting comfortable with getting dirty, touching 'nasty' things, building muscle while learning tools and basic principles, getting scars, learning how to be a good loser and learning from your mistakes. DUck the chores and expect to be punished, something that if it doesn;t leave a mark will make you think twice about sitting down.

Hit a girl? I'll be the first to smack you even if I think you can beat me up.

Checking out my godson's generation.... no muscle unless it's built in a nice clean gymn, no callouses or scars, hair gel, primping and preening, hell, even the music is castrated, why learn to play a nasty guitar when you can sample, dubstep and auto-tune?. Media continues this change as all father figures are made out to be clueless idiots who couldn't build a dog house let alone figure out how to avoid sleeping in one. Chores? Lucky if you get dishes to the sink. Fear of parents? They better fear the law, I know my rights.....

We're raising a generation mamma's boys who know more about gaming and grooming than tools, moral and chivalry!!!

/soapbox
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I got raised old school. Received a few back hands, but learned how to work and to put up with crap just to get things done. Things that help me out now as an adult. Funny, I still go play and get callouses, bruises, scars and I'm 28.
Have a buddy that has 3 kids. 3 amazingly trained kids. They spent their first weekend of summer vacation building a fence, installing a pond and getting the back yard ready for sod. These kids are rough and tough, well behaved, respectful, and the 2 older boys took matters in their own hands when the daughter who is the youngest had an issue with a boy at school. Buddy and his wife sure have it down on how to raise kids. It's tough love but it's love and it's working.

silent_vik said:
Yes. Why? because women demand it. We men are simple beings. Most of us will do anything and everything to get some. But there are always excpetions to that rule...
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I'll never "Beiberize" myself because that is what pop culture is telling me girls want.
The girls I want, wouldn't want that kind of a guy anyways.
 
What the heck did I miss? How did get get to men being a bunch of pussies to bad parenting and living at home?

To draw a line to associate one has to do with the other?


Sorry, let me drag my knuckles back to the cave.


The only reason men are evolving into a bunch of pussies is because of women. End of story. Now get on your god damn bikes and ride.

Anyone have a tisue? I'm still jaded and crying from reading how all my fellow motorcyclists have gotten in touch with their feelings. lol
 
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