Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

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Came across the fact that in Sweden Tesla 3 won the Best Car of the Year 2024. (Tesla Y is the third and didn't win only because they are waiting for the new updated version - probably it will win in 2025...)
Ahead of domestic Volvo offerings.
I guess sweds don't bother much who and what posted on X :)

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Tesla Model 3 named Sweden’s Car of the Year for 2024

Leading Swedish motoring magazine Teknikens Värld has announced that the Tesla Model 3 is the winner of its 2024 Car of the Year award. As noted in a report from CarUp, the Tesla Model Y may very well become Sweden’s best-selling car model this 2024 once again, but the reengineered Model 3 sedan...
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Sochi said:
Came across the fact that in Sweden Tesla 3 won the Best Car of the Year 2024. (Tesla Y is the third and didn't win only because they are waiting for the new updated version - probably it will win in 2025...)
Ahead of domestic Volvo offerings.
I guess sweds don't bother much who and what posted on X :)

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Tesla Model 3 named Sweden’s Car of the Year for 2024

Leading Swedish motoring magazine Teknikens Värld has announced that the Tesla Model 3 is the winner of its 2024 Car of the Year award. As noted in a report from CarUp, the Tesla Model Y may very well become Sweden’s best-selling car model this 2024 once again, but the reengineered Model 3 sedan...
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The only reason I don't buy a Tesla is I simply cannot afford it. While I'm not a fan of Musk, or his politics and meddling...I can't deny their battery tech is top notch with their supercharger network being superior.

If I could afford a 3 / Y today...I'd have one. Issue would be my wife as she doesn't like all the tech / buttons and would get frustrated...but she could drive it in a pinch.

I'm also not sure why...but buying a used Tesla is just something I can't fathom for some reason...not sure why. Should be no different than any other car...but it worries me...so used is unfortunately off the table.
 
mimico_polak said:
The only reason I don't buy a Tesla is I simply cannot afford it. While I'm not a fan of Musk, or his politics and meddling...I can't deny their battery tech is top notch with their supercharger network being superior.

If I could afford a 3 / Y today...I'd have one. Issue would be my wife as she doesn't like all the tech / buttons and would get frustrated...but she could drive it in a pinch.

I'm also not sure why...but buying a used Tesla is just something I can't fathom for some reason...not sure why. Should be no different than any other car...but it worries me...so used is unfortunately off the table.
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How much can the app control? In a pinch, could she call you and you turn on seat heaters, defrost and set temp (and radio if she wants it)? That leaves her to just drive.

On a slightly related note, do any of our resident BEV owners use one-pedal driving? If yes, do other people drive your car? What then? I can imagine that dropping a random person into a vehicle configured for one-pedal goes poorly. Are the cars smart enough to track key or phone and change vehicle settings to match driver preference? I haven't driven one but conceptually I like one-pedal driving. I don't think my wife would like it at all.
 
mimico_polak said:
The only reason I don't buy a Tesla is I simply cannot afford it. While I'm not a fan of Musk, or his politics and meddling...I can't deny their battery tech is top notch with their supercharger network being superior.

If I could afford a 3 / Y today...I'd have one. Issue would be my wife as she doesn't like all the tech / buttons and would get frustrated...but she could drive it in a pinch.

I'm also not sure why...but buying a used Tesla is just something I can't fathom for some reason...not sure why. Should be no different than any other car...but it worries me...so used is unfortunately off the table.
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100% for me on all points. Waiting for a Tesla 3 for Honda Civic/Mazda 3 price.
 
GreyGhost said:
How much can the app control? In a pinch, could she call you and you turn on seat heaters, defrost and set temp (and radio if she wants it)? That leaves her to just drive.

On a slightly related note, do any of our resident BEV owners use one-pedal driving? If yes, do other people drive your car? What then? I can imagine that dropping a random person into a vehicle configured for one-pedal goes poorly. Are the cars smart enough to track key or phone and change vehicle settings to match driver preference? I haven't driven one but conceptually I like one-pedal driving. I don't think my wife would like it at all.
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All those are easily learned...much easier than driving stick! LoL

Of course now I'll put a Model 3 (used) on my radar as a GTI replacement. I guess as long as I can get extended Tesla warranty...should be ok.
 
mimico_polak said:
All those are easily learned...much easier than driving stick! LoL

Of course now I'll put a Model 3 (used) on my radar as a GTI replacement. I guess as long as I can get extended Tesla warranty...should be ok.
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I have the same reservations. I kind of equate it to buying a used cell phone but, near the cost of obtaining a new one.

For a used petro vehicle, you can kinda take the electronic components for granted. With a Tesla, there is so much tech involved, it just seems worrisome to take the chance.

And the aftermarket maintenance and or repair support isn’t available.

The traditional manufacturers and dealer network is still strong along with plenty of independent or regional shops to take petro machines for maintenance and repairs.

I’d probably feel a little different if I lived more in the GTA but, not enough to pull the trigger on a Tesla yet.
 
nakkers said:
I have the same reservations. I kind of equate it to buying a used cell phone but, near the cost of obtaining a new one.

For a used petro vehicle, you can kinda take the electronic components for granted. With a Tesla, there is so much tech involved, it just seems worrisome to take the chance.

And the aftermarket maintenance and or repair support isn’t available.

The traditional manufacturers and dealer network is still strong along with plenty of independent or regional shops to take petro machines for maintenance and repairs.

I’d probably feel a little different if I lived more in the GTA but, not enough to pull the trigger on a Tesla yet.
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Probably no worse than anything from stellantis they are all one electric malfunction away from being a brick.

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GreyGhost said:
On a slightly related note, do any of our resident BEV owners use one-pedal driving? If yes, do other people drive your car? What then? I can imagine that dropping a random person into a vehicle configured for one-pedal goes poorly. Are the cars smart enough to track key or phone and change vehicle settings to match driver preference? I haven't driven one but conceptually I like one-pedal driving. I don't think my wife would like it at all.
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I use it in traffic jams. Turning that mode on or off is one physical button. I don't like one-pedal drive outside of traffic jams.

The Bolt has a "paddle shifter" - more like a thumb brake - that slows it down with regenerative braking, and the car holds stopped if you stop it with this (no creep). This is a really nice feature.
 
nakkers said:
I have the same reservations. I kind of equate it to buying a used cell phone but, near the cost of obtaining a new one.

For a used petro vehicle, you can kinda take the electronic components for granted. With a Tesla, there is so much tech involved, it just seems worrisome to take the chance.

And the aftermarket maintenance and or repair support isn’t available.

The traditional manufacturers and dealer network is still strong along with plenty of independent or regional shops to take petro machines for maintenance and repairs.

I’d probably feel a little different if I lived more in the GTA but, not enough to pull the trigger on a Tesla yet.
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Tesla also has a history of both poor design (hammering the MMC with logging that is inaccessible and useless to the owner which leads to it's early death) and active resistance to right to repair to try to force owners to pay $3K+ to replace everytime it dies (which is something like every five years). Aftermarket has gotten around some of the road blocks but f me. If logging has zero positives to me and costs me thousands every few years, I should be allowed to turn it off (or ideally tesla wouldn't have designed such a stupid system that is guaranteed to fail). They are the poster child for "owners" being beta-testers.
 
I love the one pedal thing on the Volt. Well, as close as it offers - it won’t ever truly stop and hold with the accelerator alone, you still need the brake pedal a little. It’s a “middle ground” thing as at the time it was very foreign to people (still is) and they wanted the volt to drive like a “regular car”.

My wife never got used to it, she’d rollercoaster all over the place with speed without really realizing it and it was trashing range by probably 25%, and irritating others around here I’m sure. I eventually suggested she not use it anymore.
 
GreyGhost said:
If logging has zero positives to me and costs me thousands every few years, I should be allowed to turn it off (or ideally tesla wouldn't have designed such a stupid system that is guaranteed to fail)
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It has lots of positives. For Tesla. Look at all the cybertruck owners who have been informed their warranties are voided for doing simple truck things (or just normal vehicle things) that were traceable by logging that only Tesla gets to see.
 
PrivatePilot said:
It has lots of positives. For Tesla. Look at all the cybertruck owners who have been informed their warranties are voided for doing simple truck things (or just normal vehicle things) that were traceable by logging that only Tesla gets to see.
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I know why they want it. I wouldn't even be grossly opposed to them replacing unit every time it died. That gives me the latest revision and they get their data. As sold, they get all the plusses and consumers get all the minuses.
 
I review our transportation needs frequently and open to making changes that make sense. I like the idea of home charging and starting out with full range at the start of my day. The charging infrastructure is getting better although I’m not sure about the energy cost from one location over another.

We have a couple of SUVs getting up in mileage and the up front cost of $25k to $30k was palpable. Reviewing new vehicle costs of hybrid and ev for something that offers similar room and capability we currently have and still want, $50k plus is discouraging.

Not sure when the compelling event will be for us to make the leap. I keep looking but, no current monthly payment and the cost for oil changes and fuel ups is manageable and the occasional maintenance item like wheel bearing replacement isn’t enough of an unplanned expense to really have us look for replacements yet.

Living near the falls and knowing our electricity is generated from hydro is appealing. Reducing the need to use a finite resource that will eventually run out is compelling. I’m far from being an early adopter. lol.

I’m looking forward to having an ev when the time is right. Until then, I’m gonna burn up petro in my little boxer configured SUV and motorcycle in the foreseeable future.
 
nakkers said:
I review our transportation needs frequently and open to making changes that make sense. I like the idea of home charging and starting out with full range at the start of my day. The charging infrastructure is getting better although I’m not sure about the energy cost from one location over another.

We have a couple of SUVs getting up in mileage and the up front cost of $25k to $30k was palpable. Reviewing new vehicle costs of hybrid and ev for something that offers similar room and capability we currently have and still want, $50k plus is discouraging.

Not sure when the compelling event will be for us to make the leap. I keep looking but, no current monthly payment and the cost for oil changes and fuel ups is manageable and the occasional maintenance item like wheel bearing replacement isn’t enough of an unplanned expense to really have us look for replacements yet.

Living near the falls and knowing our electricity is generated from hydro is appealing. Reducing the need to use a finite resource that will eventually run out is compelling. I’m far from being an early adopter. lol.

I’m looking forward to having an ev when the time is right. Until then, I’m gonna burn up petro in my little boxer configured SUV and motorcycle in the foreseeable future.
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Barring free charging at a store (which is becoming less common), charging at home is your cheapest option by miles. DC fast charging is often close to the price per mile of an ICE vehicle. Public level 2 is normally far cheaper per mile than ICE.

Average new vehicle cost is over $50K now. BEV or ICE, they are expensive.

While oil supply is theoretically finite, the amount that we know about and our predicted usage means that there is essentially an infinite supply.

Keeping what you have is almost always the cheapest approach. I normally switch when reliability starts to become an issue.

Friends have an order in for a hybrid rav. They are environment focused, smart and understand economics. With the numbers they were given and their usage profile, they decided the plug-in version wasn't worth it for them.
 
I drive my bolt exclusively in one-pedal mode. It makes the car behave more like a manual transmission car. It's more fun to drive it that way. Turning it on or off is very easy, just push a button. I doesn't take much of an adjustment to get used to it. For my 2019 Bolt, I do have to push the button every time I get in to initiate one-pedal driving. I would prefer it to remember my selection, which I believe they have fixed for newer models.
 
Plant_W said:
I drive my bolt exclusively in one-pedal mode. It makes the car behave more like a manual transmission car. It's more fun to drive it that way. Turning it on or off is very easy, just push a button. I doesn't take much of an adjustment to get used to it. For my 2019 Bolt, I do have to push the button every time I get in to initiate one-pedal driving. I would prefer it to remember my selection, which I believe they have fixed for newer models.
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Yes, mine (2023) retains that setting.

Now if only it would retain the "sport mode" setting ...
 
The more I look at my use case…the less sense the Maverick makes and it’s making me turn toward a Bolt. I think I can make the swap from GTI -> Bolt fairly painlessly.

The Kona EV also has my interest. There’s zero chance I’m buying a new EV/Hybrid/ICE for 50k. Even as an EV, the math doesn’t work for me to ‘save’ money.
 
Look hard at Quebec for your purchase.

I've been doing more digging in the last 48 hours since my Volt started to piss me off a little over something stupid (details below) and I've come to the repeat conclusion that we'll save at least $10K buying there vs Ontario. Close to 15K in some cases. Reality is that with very significant government incentives on *new* EV's in Quebec, it depresses prices on the used market as well as nobody is going to buy a 3 year old car for $5K less than a new one. We had the same issue here when the $14K (or whatever it was) Ontario incentive was a thing as well, but when that went away used EV prices jumped $10K overnight.

Anyhow, my Volt needs a new shift lever - it refuses to acknowledge that it's in park sometimes, meaning it doesn't fully shut off. Only does it in the cold weather as there's a futzy little microswitch that gets sticky when it's cold. And yeah, it's been cold the last few weeks as we all know. So I've been having to disconnect the 12v battery every day at work during this cold snap otherwise it'll flatten the 12v during the day. The part is about $100, but I think it's about $400-$500 to get it installed, and I don't really want to spend that right now if I'm looking at selling it in a few months anyways. I'd park it at work until spring when I can clean it up and sell it for whatever I can get for a well used 15 year old EV.

It's probably just upset that we're looking at new cars lol.
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