Our did that the recall fixed it no issues since.
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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?
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It was never a recall on Gen1's - it's very rare on them for that matter.
Our Gen2 has never had the issue. Yet, anyways.
Our Gen2 has never had the issue. Yet, anyways.
Same. I had to educate the service advisor that it’s under warranty but they did it free on my Gen2.
Just another case of dealers not knowing jack **** about what they sell.
Quoting myself, and on that topic, I expect tomorrow to be a hillarious sh!tshow with salespeople who have no clue about what they're selling and no concept of how EV's even work. I can't wait to see if the cars are even charged enough for meaningful test drives.
When we bought both our 2011 and 2012 the dealer experiences (which I detailed here in this thread at the time, long long ago) were gong shows. The ONLY one that went great was when we bought our 2017 Ioniq through the quebec dealer, and I attest that to Quebec just being so much more EV savvy with the very significant saturation there vs almost anywhere else in Canada.
Which variant of ionic are you looking at tomorrow? Feel free to post after to avoid pirates.
Just a 5.
Adaptive cruise is the only must have along with heated steering wheel, but on digging it seems like that's a standard option on *all* Ioniq 5's, not an option. Leather would be nice but it seems like it's almost impossible to find on any used ones, and apparently it's not even real leather as Hyundai went "animal friendly", so it's a pleather of some sort I guess. I'd question durability. Will probably end up going with cloth when it's said and done.
The HUD, power liftgate, AC seats, meh, all niceities if it has it, if not, not the end of the world.
A long range model would be nice but price will dictate if that happens vs a regular range.
Pickings are slim in Ontario.
We got our money. Don't know about the vendor, though.
Building cars is hard.
Arrival went bust about a year ago. Some chap bought up some of the leftovers and has been tearing them down ... revealing some questionable and expensive design decisions under the skin.
edit: Random automotive mechanical design-nerd observation. Upper and lower wishbone suspension front and rear. Control arm upper and lower pivot axes all appear horizontal, so there's no anti-dive in the geometry. Upper and lower arms aren't separated vertically by very far (modern designs usually have the upper A-arm above the top of the wheel, well above the lower). Doesn't look like there's much provision for NVH isolation between suspension and chassis (I can tell by the way the pivot points for the control arms look). Means it would probably have a harsh, noisy ride. They spent the money for an expensive suspension design (parts count) but didn't take advantage of what could be done with it. Vans don't need fancy suspension designs - a well-sorted simple design will do just fine.
Arrival went bust about a year ago. Some chap bought up some of the leftovers and has been tearing them down ... revealing some questionable and expensive design decisions under the skin.
edit: Random automotive mechanical design-nerd observation. Upper and lower wishbone suspension front and rear. Control arm upper and lower pivot axes all appear horizontal, so there's no anti-dive in the geometry. Upper and lower arms aren't separated vertically by very far (modern designs usually have the upper A-arm above the top of the wheel, well above the lower). Doesn't look like there's much provision for NVH isolation between suspension and chassis (I can tell by the way the pivot points for the control arms look). Means it would probably have a harsh, noisy ride. They spent the money for an expensive suspension design (parts count) but didn't take advantage of what could be done with it. Vans don't need fancy suspension designs - a well-sorted simple design will do just fine.
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Well, back from car shopping.
The Bolt was nice. Great shape. High-ish mileage for it's year, but in good condition regardless. Fun to drive. Price was right. But my wife just didn't like it's size honestly, even in the EUV variant it's smaller than we both expected once we actually got into it and spent some time poking around and sitting in different seats, etc.
The dealer was awesome. Sales guy was awesome. The car was charged, it was sheltered (great considering it was pouring rain when we arrived) and the test drive was no hassle and no pressure. 5 stars all around in a sea of past experience of 2 stars.
But, I'm not sure it's the right car for us in the end. It's not out of the running, but it certainly came in second to the Ioniq, no question.
The Ioniq, well, rougher experience. No fault of the salesperson who helped us, as we arrived on very short notice, so we caught them with another customer - we were offered to sit in their awesome lounge (geezus, these dealers are getting fancy, there's clearly no shortage of money in the car dealer world right now) and enjoyed some beverages. Totally cool, like I said, we arrived on short notice and she had another customer, no problem.
We sat down and the salesperson kind of wanted to start talking numbers before we even seen the car. Then my wife discovered when she went to get her DL out for the test drive paperwork she'd left her purse in the Bolt at the other dealer, ugh - had to rush back over there to get it. I waited at the Hyundai dealer. We made smalltalk.
Then there was some confusion about what vehicle I was there to see. In my initial inquiry I very specifically asked for the 2022 RWD model they had in stock, but when we arrived they'd had the 2022 AWD model out for us. The RWD one was buried about 5 cars deep, in a corner on display, blocked in on all 4 sides (posts, and other vehicles, and then we were told we couldn't drive it because it didn't have snow tires on it. We ended up test driving the AWD one instead.
Turns out the 2022 had been there for a LONG time, and we know why - it has literally under 1000km on it (660km or something like that) despite being a 3 year old car, but they're still asking $50K for it...for a RWD standard range fairly basic model without a ton of options. For $5000 more you can buy a BRAND NEW long range one after the $5K federal rebate, and there's a sea of 2022/2023's that are basically loaded, several with the long range premium option package) with 10-15,000K on them for $10K less.
It would be stupid to buy a 3 year old car, low mileage or not, for that kind of money, especially when compared to same model year variants with more features and options, and in some cases the long range battery for $40K being quite plentiful.
I went expecting that either the price was a misprint, or that there was going to be some heck of a lot of negotiation room given what it is, but the sales manager offered a measly $500 off.
Uh, no. IMHO it's a $40,000 car right now, low mileage or not. 3 years of the bumper to bumper and battery/drivetrain warranty is now burned.
No fault of the sales lady that worked with us, she was awesome. The only thing I didn't like was that she had to come along for the test drive. I wasn't even able to sit in the 2022 RWD without her being there and at one point sitting in the car with me. It's hard to get a feel for things, poke around, dig into the infotainment and dash etc etc, much less go for a test drive with your spouse and chat amongst yourselves with each other when there's a salesperson in the back. Not sure if this is standard practice now at dealers (?), or just something specific to this dealer, but the other Honda dealer just gave us the keys for the Bolt, warned us about a nearby speed camera, and sent us on our way.
Not even being able to sit in the one we were there to see without the salesperson being in the car with us was awkward - like, I'm not sure where I was going to go with the one that was literally blocked in on all 4 sides by other vehicles, bollards, and trees.
But anyways, unless there's at least $10K to move on the price of that one, we're not interested. Sales lady is still politely texting me back and forth, but there's only so many ways to say "Your sales manager is nuts and clearly hasn't looked at the price of the used market" tactfully.
Anyhow, the search continues.
The Bolt was nice. Great shape. High-ish mileage for it's year, but in good condition regardless. Fun to drive. Price was right. But my wife just didn't like it's size honestly, even in the EUV variant it's smaller than we both expected once we actually got into it and spent some time poking around and sitting in different seats, etc.
The dealer was awesome. Sales guy was awesome. The car was charged, it was sheltered (great considering it was pouring rain when we arrived) and the test drive was no hassle and no pressure. 5 stars all around in a sea of past experience of 2 stars.
But, I'm not sure it's the right car for us in the end. It's not out of the running, but it certainly came in second to the Ioniq, no question.
The Ioniq, well, rougher experience. No fault of the salesperson who helped us, as we arrived on very short notice, so we caught them with another customer - we were offered to sit in their awesome lounge (geezus, these dealers are getting fancy, there's clearly no shortage of money in the car dealer world right now) and enjoyed some beverages. Totally cool, like I said, we arrived on short notice and she had another customer, no problem.
We sat down and the salesperson kind of wanted to start talking numbers before we even seen the car. Then my wife discovered when she went to get her DL out for the test drive paperwork she'd left her purse in the Bolt at the other dealer, ugh - had to rush back over there to get it. I waited at the Hyundai dealer. We made smalltalk.
Then there was some confusion about what vehicle I was there to see. In my initial inquiry I very specifically asked for the 2022 RWD model they had in stock, but when we arrived they'd had the 2022 AWD model out for us. The RWD one was buried about 5 cars deep, in a corner on display, blocked in on all 4 sides (posts, and other vehicles, and then we were told we couldn't drive it because it didn't have snow tires on it. We ended up test driving the AWD one instead.
Turns out the 2022 had been there for a LONG time, and we know why - it has literally under 1000km on it (660km or something like that) despite being a 3 year old car, but they're still asking $50K for it...for a RWD standard range fairly basic model without a ton of options. For $5000 more you can buy a BRAND NEW long range one after the $5K federal rebate, and there's a sea of 2022/2023's that are basically loaded, several with the long range premium option package) with 10-15,000K on them for $10K less.
It would be stupid to buy a 3 year old car, low mileage or not, for that kind of money, especially when compared to same model year variants with more features and options, and in some cases the long range battery for $40K being quite plentiful.
I went expecting that either the price was a misprint, or that there was going to be some heck of a lot of negotiation room given what it is, but the sales manager offered a measly $500 off.
Uh, no. IMHO it's a $40,000 car right now, low mileage or not. 3 years of the bumper to bumper and battery/drivetrain warranty is now burned.
No fault of the sales lady that worked with us, she was awesome. The only thing I didn't like was that she had to come along for the test drive. I wasn't even able to sit in the 2022 RWD without her being there and at one point sitting in the car with me. It's hard to get a feel for things, poke around, dig into the infotainment and dash etc etc, much less go for a test drive with your spouse and chat amongst yourselves with each other when there's a salesperson in the back. Not sure if this is standard practice now at dealers (?), or just something specific to this dealer, but the other Honda dealer just gave us the keys for the Bolt, warned us about a nearby speed camera, and sent us on our way.
Not even being able to sit in the one we were there to see without the salesperson being in the car with us was awkward - like, I'm not sure where I was going to go with the one that was literally blocked in on all 4 sides by other vehicles, bollards, and trees.
But anyways, unless there's at least $10K to move on the price of that one, we're not interested. Sales lady is still politely texting me back and forth, but there's only so many ways to say "Your sales manager is nuts and clearly hasn't looked at the price of the used market" tactfully.
Anyhow, the search continues.
I find 30% of the time the sales person gets in the car with me these days. From econoboxes to high end toys, experience has been the same.
Having the salesperson required to sit in the vehicle with you while its on the lot/floor? That's a ***** much.
I wonder if someone has used time in the car to use obd to authorize a key. Maybe that dealer has been burned or hyundai has sent a memo to dealers after vehicles wandered away at night.
Doesn't Hyundai have serious bad security and anti theft?
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Who knows. I mean, my wife and I don't really fit the profiles of car thieves I'd like to think, but who knows anymore.
But yeah, having to hover and then sit inside the car with me while I was looking at a car physically blocked in on all sides was weird. I'm a geek, so I love sitting in a new car and digging through menus, options, settings, features, etc etc etc. Awkward when there's a salesperson sitting there with you the whole time.
If "clone a key and come steal the car at night" was a serious issue I'd think we'd be hearing about it a lot though.
They and Kia have certainly had issues, but I think they've got that resolved.
Did you go to QC to look at these cars or here in the GTA?
I felt the Bolt would be the right size for us (EV or EUV variant) and I was gonna pm you on the tow capability of it.
Interesting about the IONIQ5 pricing in the 40s as I felt they were reaching 50-60k so right out of my budget…but 40k I can do depending on what the GTI trades for.
I felt the Bolt would be the right size for us (EV or EUV variant) and I was gonna pm you on the tow capability of it.
Interesting about the IONIQ5 pricing in the 40s as I felt they were reaching 50-60k so right out of my budget…but 40k I can do depending on what the GTI trades for.
These were GTA options. Quebec is more of a commitment, take the train out, uber to dealer, etc etc. Need to be basically 110% on the purchase first otherwise we come home on the train again empty handed.
The Bolt has no tow rating. People tow small stuff with it regardless and apaprently it does small trailers effortlessly, at least 1 person out there tows a tent trailer I've seen in the past. Range loss is about 50%. But with only a 50kw fast charging rate, it would seem like a lesson in frustration for any sort of long trip honestly, so we wouldn't be towing with it.
Lots of Ioniq5's in the 40k range out there.
The Bolt has no tow rating. People tow small stuff with it regardless and apaprently it does small trailers effortlessly, at least 1 person out there tows a tent trailer I've seen in the past. Range loss is about 50%. But with only a 50kw fast charging rate, it would seem like a lesson in frustration for any sort of long trip honestly, so we wouldn't be towing with it.
Lots of Ioniq5's in the 40k range out there.
Thanks! Once I get rid of my tow requirements / want then it really opens up options as there Odyssey will always be available for tow.
Second car is for my commuter vehicle, plus the occasional for my wife to use for her work (house / office cleaning).
Wife is (for some reason) REALLY against the Maverick. She considers it a full pickup truck so I should probably listen to her this time.
Looks like getting the options we really wanted and liked in the Ioniq (some of which weren't even a thing in the Bolt, but hey, go big or go home I guess?) were into north of $40K territory even on a 2 year old option which is really more than I'd wanted to spend on a car. Have never spent more than $25K on a vehicle, ever....sickens me to think of spending $40K (plus financing blah blah) on a chunk of metal that will be almost valueless in 10 years.
Look at my 2011 Volt for example - $45K new (probably close to 50 the way mine was optioned), and today, worth maybe $1500.
Look at my 2011 Volt for example - $45K new (probably close to 50 the way mine was optioned), and today, worth maybe $1500.
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Personally I wouldn't even think about spending that much on a Hyundai product but that's my bias.
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