Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

PrivatePilot said:
Saw my first EV Silverado today in the flesh.

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Avalanche vibes. Don't mind it though. Don't even want to know the price.

Started seeing VW commercials for the ID Buzz. Cool looking, would totally buy one, but starting at $80K? Pass.
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Ouch. Guy in Toronto buys one for 140K. It's got 3000 km on it and he's on his third battery pack. That's not a good start. Stuff happens and I wouldn't care too much about a second pack but a third is pretty inexcusible.

www.cp24.com

Toronto man says 2024 electric truck battery had to be replaced after just 3,000 kilometres

A Toronto man said he wanted to do his part for the environment and support his green energy related business by switching over to an all-electric pick-up truck.
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GreyGhost said:
Ouch. Guy in Toronto buys one for 140K. It's got 3000 km on it and he's on his third battery pack. That's not a good start. Stuff happens and I wouldn't care too much about a second pack but a third is pretty inexcusible.

www.cp24.com

Toronto man says 2024 electric truck battery had to be replaced after just 3,000 kilometres

A Toronto man said he wanted to do his part for the environment and support his green energy related business by switching over to an all-electric pick-up truck.
www.cp24.com www.cp24.com
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My guesses... either really bad luck to have two bad packs in a row OR the dealer messed up the first replacement one. In the end how many have they swapped or was this the first one this dealer ever did?

At least the bumpers did not fall off....
 
GreyGhost said:
Ouch. Guy in Toronto buys one for 140K. It's got 3000 km on it and he's on his third battery pack. That's not a good start. Stuff happens and I wouldn't care too much about a second pack but a third is pretty inexcusible.

www.cp24.com

Toronto man says 2024 electric truck battery had to be replaced after just 3,000 kilometres

A Toronto man said he wanted to do his part for the environment and support his green energy related business by switching over to an all-electric pick-up truck.
www.cp24.com www.cp24.com
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‘Replaced at a cost of 30k…’

Ya…that’ll bring people to EVs in droves.

Honestly if the Bolt was still available I would just lease it.

Not sure what happened but I grew an aversion to buying a new/used EV simply because resale will be so bad…and I don’t keep cars long enough.
 
mimico_polak said:
‘Replaced at a cost of 30k…’

Ya…that’ll bring people to EVs in droves.

Honestly if the Bolt was still available I would just lease it.

Not sure what happened but I grew an aversion to buying a new/used EV simply because resale will be so bad…and I don’t keep cars long enough.
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While people will be banging on the drum of evil ev's and high costs, lots of ICE vehicles also require replacement engines within warranty. Engine swap at a dealer with a new engine is crazy money too.
 
GreyGhost said:
While people will be banging on the drum of evil ev's and high costs, lots of ICE vehicles also require replacement engines within warranty. Engine swap at a dealer with a new engine is crazy money too.
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Transmissions on new vehicles are also not cheap... and also long lead times.

Long term 10+ years old there is always the possibility of a rebuilt of wrecker eng/trans. I don't think we are there yet at scale with EV batteries?
 
backmarkerducati said:
Transmissions on new vehicles are also not cheap... and also long lead times.

Long term 10+ years old there is always the possibility of a rebuilt of wrecker eng/trans. I don't think we are there yet at scale with EV batteries?
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Some manufacturers (cough Tesla) are doing everything in their power to ensure that removed packs go to the dump and don't have a second life. It's appalling really. Start spraying foam and sealant everywhere and it becomes economically and technically non-viable to replace cells, rebuild packs or even repurpose cells. That shows just how much greenwashing there is in the industry. If they truly cared about the environment, they would avoid construction that generates huge, expensive, impossible to repair modules. While I don't expect a dealer to be doing cell replacements, it is almost trivial to design/build a pack that can be opened by a shop with the right facilities and expertise. They could inspect/rebuild and supply the market. OEM's expressly do not want that. Throw the vehicle out and buy a new one.

There is a huge problem with crashed battery packs. As soon as insurance sees a dent, they declare it terminal. It's not easy to tell from the outside if the dent affected something that matters or if it was cosmetic. That drives EV crash repair costs to the moon. Most of the packs are probably fine but nobody wants to be holding the liability if something happens.
 
GreyGhost said:
Ouch. Guy in Toronto buys one for 140K. It's got 3000 km on it and he's on his third battery pack. That's not a good start. Stuff happens and I wouldn't care too much about a second pack but a third is pretty inexcusible.

www.cp24.com

Toronto man says 2024 electric truck battery had to be replaced after just 3,000 kilometres

A Toronto man said he wanted to do his part for the environment and support his green energy related business by switching over to an all-electric pick-up truck.
www.cp24.com www.cp24.com
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It's almost certain that the real problem is something else, but it is not being properly diagnosed.

A few people in the Bolt facebook groups have had nasty looking faults come up which turned out to really be due to low coolant level or improperly "burped" battery cooling systems leading to improper coolant circulation. There is a procedure to follow, which is not rocket science, but does in fact need to be done.
 
Brian P said:
It's almost certain that the real problem is something else, but it is not being properly diagnosed.
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I was going to say the same thing.

Volt owners have had this exact issue for 15 years now - dealers that don't know WTF they're doing and just want to throw parts at them. It's been an huge issue with ALL EV's since they started to become a thing - early Leaf owners were faced with the same thing, and in looking closer at the Ioniq 5 now and having joined a few forums and such to dip my toes, I'm seeing stories of the same thing happening there as well on 1-3 year old cars.

Manufacturers really need to step up their game with education to get their mechanics to think outside the box and do some thinking rather than just "the computer said the battery has some weird issue, so the entire pack needs to be replaced". It's bad enough when it's on a brand new car under warranty, but there's endless stories of Volt owners being told the same thing on out of warranty cars, being told they need a $20K battery when in reality all the needed was a software update (issued by GM, with a TSB on the matter at that!) in many cases.
 
FullMotoJacket said:
I cannot understand why people buy these things. They were looking to buy a washer/dryer and bought a Tesla as well while they were out shopping?

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Like the allure of buying a rolex, you know going in that it is dumb but if you got the jam ya gotta do at at least once in your life.
 
I've never seen a bright drop in the wild. A targeted ad popped up a used one for 90k. Swing and a miss at a target.

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GreyGhost said:
I've never seen a bright drop in the wild. A targeted ad popped up a used one for 90k. Swing and a miss at a target.

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I drive one for work. It's pretty snazzy!
 
backmarkerducati said:
Long term 10+ years old there is always the possibility of a rebuilt of wrecker eng/trans. I don't think we are there yet at scale with EV batteries?
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My Volt is basically 15 years old now and on it's original battery and drivetrain. Same with my sons Volt, 13+ years old now based on it's build date.

Contrary to all the FUD online, and yes, the occasional story of things going wrong (the same thing happens to ICE vehicles, lest we forget, it's just so commonplace that it doesn't make the news and get all sensationalized like it does when it's an EV), EV batteries are basically lasting the life of a vehicle now already.

GreyGhost said:
I've never seen a bright drop in the wild. A targeted ad popped up a used one for 90k. Swing and a miss at a target.
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$100k isn't a big deal for a lot of companies, especially when in the right environments an electric vehicle could save very significantly in operating costs. My company drops $140K+ all the time for new diesel tractors.
 
PrivatePilot said:
My Volt is basically 15 years old now and on it's original battery and drivetrain. Same with my sons Volt, 13+ years old now based on it's build date.

Contrary to all the FUD online, and yes, the occasional story of things going wrong (the same thing happens to ICE vehicles, lest we forget, it's just so commonplace that it doesn't make the news and get all sensationalized like it does when it's an EV), EV batteries are basically lasting the life of a vehicle now already.



$100k isn't a big deal for a lot of companies, especially when in the right environments an electric vehicle could save very significantly in operating costs. My company drops $140K+ all the time for new diesel tractors.
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My buddy’s Gen 2 Volt recently broke down at 350k. One of the pistons or tie rods pooched. Not sure 100% because I don’t know the polish word he used.

He got 7500 as a trade in for it and now moved to a Mitsubishi PHEV Outlander and is very happy.
 
mimico_polak said:
My buddy’s Gen 2 Volt recently broke down at 350k
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Nothing disrespectful about 350,000km honestly, a lot of vehicles don't make it to that.

A $750 scrapyard engine and a chunk of labour and it would be going again. Volt engines are dirt cheap because they're specific to the volt and there's virtually no market. But $7500 on a trade in on a non-runner basket case with 350,000km, yeah, he made out well.
 
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